Think I deer hunted 4 or 5 seasons with compound and never got a deer, and then first season hunting with a recurve I got a doe whitetail, have 2 seasons with a recurve for elk and it was just stupid greenhorn move that kept me from getting a nice bull the first weekend of the first season I hunted them with stickbow, hopefully this year will be the icebreaker for elk with stickbow but we don't have near as good of tag this year, but it only takes one elk to get it done. I think it has more to do with being in the right place at the right time than anything with the elk and probably deer too.