I've been using mine for 4-5 years during early season archery and they work fine. Having said that, I wouldn't buy another pair. Butt ripped out first day I used them, was packed in several miles so that was not a good thing. Sent them in and it took the entire season to get them back. Now there seems to be a new rip everytime I use them. Constantly sewing up holes. I am switching to green Filson whipcord pants. Still light but very strong and cost much less. Just my experience others may be different.