The last time I used my climber it went like this. I was sure that i was going to have action that day so i went a few feet higher up than normal. All the way to the stub branch where I planned on hanging by back quiver. My bow was tied to my waste by a parachute chord. I got up there, then almost fell off when my seat shifted while i was taking off my back quiver. I got a bit scared at that point. I tried to reposition my harness so I could stand to shoot if I had to, which flipped my back quiver on that dead stub. All of my arrows poured out on the ground. So there I was, over twenty feet off the ground ready to hunt looking down at my dangling bow and a dozen arrows and to make it worse I had to potty. I climbed down to where I could jump off the tree stand, close enough, that is where I stayed. The next time, someone stole my seat and my harness. The last time I used my ladder stand, every deer came on the back side of the tree where there were no trails and I could not shoot at them. So I went to my other place where I had an elaborate natural ground blind. Somebody planted a tree stand right in my ground blind. This was all on private land. Now, I hunt portable, on the ground on public land, way more fun with various carry in cover stratagies. I like hunting where there are no trees suitable for tree stands, less competition for places to hunt. I need to get a lighter patterned Ghillie, to match our cover better. I am a believer. Close and on the ground is cool.