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Author Topic: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"  (Read 522 times)

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"well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« on: December 17, 2013, 11:16:00 AM »
I often see in posts that people state that a "well made" string is quieter that one that isn't "well made".  

Lets say that 3 different people each twist up a string for the same bow (for this discussion lets say a longbow).  

What do you look for in the construction to determine which one is "well made"?  

Have read on here where people order a new custom and throw away the string that comes with it and order a "custom" string.  Not saying that a custom string is bad, but don't really see a custom bowyer sending out a bow with a string that he would consider sub-par.

What are your thought?

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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2013, 11:37:00 AM »
Several bowyers make great bows and know their limitations and let the pros make the strings. Some build good bows and strings... The difference is the quicker and quieter factor, along with zero stretch that prolongs the tuning process.

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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2013, 11:55:00 AM »
"Well made" vs. "Non-well made" probably isn't accurate to what you are asking...  "Stock" vs. "High performance" would probably be more accurate... and yes, I've got a pile of stock strings that I've never used...  Once I tried a high performance string I couldn't go back...  

I do have a couple bows that I consciously don't shoot with HP string as I like the way they shoot with the stock string...  But, I have quite a few bows that are night and day different just by changing the string...  Quietness is the biggest factor I notice, decrease in hand shock to a degree, and maybe a little more performance...  Very little to no creeping which makes them much more stable much quicker also...  None of that checking and re-checking brace height and twisting as the string stretches in...
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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2013, 12:09:00 PM »
This one is going to be tough...how do I say this without offending someone?  Oh well...

Bottom line, some of the most touted bowyers I've ever heard of don't know much about strings or string materials.  Some of the nicer, more expensive bows come with some pretty lousy strings. This has been my observation based on around 20 years of buying bows and paying attention at tournaments and rendevous from TX to PA.

Sometimes it seems to be about money...which I don't really understand.  Why put a cheap string on a bow that's in the $1,000+ price range?  

The greatest bowyer may not be the greatest shot, so if they can't shoot the difference they may think there isn't a diference.

There are tons of misconceptions floating around, so even if they do a little research on the 'net they are liable to get something that isn't right.  Lots of folks still think "AMO" means "4 inches shorter for recurves, 3 inches shorter or longbows"...and lots of bows don't begin to follow AMO either.  (AMO is 3" shorter, longbow or recurve)

I've tried contacting a few bowyers over the years over some of the more off the wall comments I've seen.  The one I can remember who did reply said something along the lines of he wouldn't warranty one material, but would warranty 450+...it boiled down to the 450+ felt softer, so he thought it was a less "harsh" material.  At the time (it's been years ago), 450+ had the least stretch of any material on the market--but it does feel soft.  

Another problem is inventory.  For the best results, you make a string to fit a particular draw weight and length...at least with most materials.  Materials like 8190 and BCY-X are making that variable less important lately, but before these came out my goal was to make a string that was quiet, durable, didn't stretch or creep, but wasn't so overbuilt that it added vibration or hindered performance...and serving it so it gives the proper nock fit for a particular style nock.  That can be a pain for a bowyer, especially if they don't make their own strings.

Lots don't make their own strings because they don't like to, and/or it's not a real money maker.  Some shops have invested in machines to do it for them--you have to really be turning out some strings to pay for these machines, and the strings are "one size fits all" and from what I've seen...well, they will work but aren't something I'd keep.

Some bowyers I've known purposely sent out the cheapest string they could find, because they  knew most of their customers would replace it anyway.  Send an endless, they want flemish.  Send black, they wan't brown.  Send it served to fit Bohnning Classics, they shoot Marco.  Etc. etc. etc.  And some just don't care as long as it has a string.

Lastly, there are several benefits to a well made string.  It will be quieter, have less vibration, stretch/creep less, be more durable, and usually give you better performance.

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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2013, 12:18:00 PM »
Just a little added note. A well made string to me in one that all the strands are the same length and there are not several strands that are shorter that may cut into your limb or snap early on you. Just another point to consider.

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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2013, 01:03:00 PM »
For a longbow, the nocks and limb size seem to be problem, either too loose, or tight. Too short or too long. I prefer a padded (extra strands) in FF strings, tight twist and longer serving. For regular dacron, on non-FF bows. non-padded, tight twist and longer serving. Prefer 1.5 twists/inch. Stretching only seems to be a problem with Dacron, and it is expected. I stretch the dacron before shooting. Yes, I would agree, you have a better chance of getting a good string from a "custom" maker.
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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2013, 03:00:00 PM »
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Originally posted by jwingman:
Just a little added note. A well made string to me in one that all the strands are the same length and there are not several strands that are shorter that may cut into your limb or snap early on you. Just another point to consider.
Agreed, it's also a formula for a string to begin breaking one string at a time!
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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2013, 06:11:00 PM »
Thanks for all the replies.  The answers are pretty much what I thought I would get.

So when someone condemns a string as being "poorly made", it could be.  Or it could just be that they or their bow doesn't like that particular material, string length, serving size or any number of other factors.

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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2013, 08:04:00 PM »
I have a question to add to this.  I have found that spinning a serving one way works better for right hand bows and the other way better for left hand bows.  I get creeping in the serving. Would it make any difference in the twist direction of a flemish string for left and right bows?

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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2013, 11:02:00 PM »
I trust my stringmaker    :thumbsup:

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Re: "well made" string vs. "non-well made"
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2013, 01:50:00 PM »
I've noticed the direction on serving also. I like clockwise for leftys and counter clock wise for right hand shooters. I'm not a pro string maker just a fiberglass dust eater.
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