Dr. Ashby's report makes sense to me...

[Roger Norris]

I have long held the personal belief that the best broad head for deer hunting is a heavy, wide, Magnus I. But after reading ( a couple times now)Dr. Ashby's report.....geezz he makes sense.

I think I will at least try his modified Grizzlies this year.

[BamBooBender]

Yep made a lot of sense to me too. I have been using grizzlies, only the wrong way. I'm gonna try em the other way around this year.   :D

[Bard1]

What he says makes sense to me as well, and I'd like to use a modified grizzly, but I am not in a situation where I can make those sort of modifications to them.  It would be really nice if a manufacturer would take a look at what the good Dr. is saying and make a head based off it.  Selling the things should be easier, for the first time a manufacturer would have hard scientific proof as to why his broad head was the truly the best penetraiting head out there.  Not just hype and "stories" from hunters etc.
Derek

[Ray Hammond]

you guys just hunting deer? You don't need to modify...use the stock heads, just change the angle of the blades to make them shallower..and shoot.

[Roger Norris]

Yep. I'm going to tweak the point like he shows, and go with them as is. What got me was the head twisting through bone vs the double bevel trying to go straight through.

[deertraks]

I modified a Muzzy Phantom SS to a left hand single bevel. It ended up at 189grns and one inch wide at the back. The cool thing is, when I shot it into my layered broadhead target. I twisted to the left inside the target. I'm going to try it this year.  

[Java Man]

Roger,

You must be really impressed to change from your "flying meat cleavers".  I am modifying some Ace heads to single bevel for LW feathers.

[Roger Norris]

Gregg - like we talked about on the phone the other day...I'm not sure about making them skinnier...but that rotation makes sense.

[RGK]

on my homemade single bevels, I tried the potato test and I'll be darned if my first heads didn't just get stuck and the single bevels split that spud from ear to ear (actually eye to eye)

[Bard1]

Ray, what tools does a guy need to change the angle of the blade?

[Mr.Magoo]

I like reading Dr. Ashby's tests, but seems like lots of folks are reading his reports and deciding they now need grizzly heads or they have to single bevel their existing heads to shoot the deer they've been shooting for years without any problems.

Grizzly, Zwickey, Eclipse, Stos etc ... are all going to make the same basic cut, and they're all tough.

I also find it very interesting that the majority of tales/pics we see of folks who go to Africa and Australia to shoot big stuff ... aren't using grizzly heads.  They're using the same zwickeys, magnus', eclipse's, stos', woodsman's etc... that have worked all along.

[Tom Mussatto]

When the Grizzly first came out back in the mid 80's I tried them and noticed the rotation in foam. At one of the early GLLI’s I had a chance to talk with Harry Elburg and asked him if he could make the head with the bevel on the other side because left wing feathers were much easier to get. Must not have been the first time he was asked that question because his reply was quick and adamant. “Which side the bevel is on makes absolutely no difference in the heads performance.”

I’m not in a position to question either Harry’s or Doc Ashby’s results, don't have nearly enough experience, but I did start fletching my Grizzly mounted arrows with right wing feathers because of what I saw in foam, even though right wing feathers were much harder to come by back then.

I am curious to know how much increase in sales 3Rivers and Kustom King have had for Grizzlies in the past two weeks? Wonder how many letters broadhead manufacturers are now getting asking for a single bevel put on their favorite head?  

[Arrow4Christ]

Roger,
Why not just put a single bevel on a Magnus? That's what I'm going to try. I'll post a pic with the results when I'm done.
Craig

[Arrow4Christ]

You can't really get that double bevel off the Mag I's tip. Too bad. Well, back to the Slick Tricks for me  

[bm22]

last year i help the guide on our deer lease track a couple of doe's. anyway he shot one of the doe's but he shot it with a wensel woodsman he kept in his quiver for rabbits, if had the factory edge and had been threw alot of rabbits and stump shooting.

the doe ran about 70 yards before she dropped. we never found one drop of blood, it took 5 guys walking in a straight line until we finally walked up on her. if i had not seen the bloody wensel and broken cedar shaft i would have swore he shot her with a field tip, the hole was that small.

no the moral of the story is it doesn't take alot to kill a deer. but noone would go out and shoot a deer with a dull broadhead, but it will and can kill deer. just like a zwickey, wensel and other double bevel broadheads can, do and will kill game there are better broadheads out there that do the same thing more efficentially.