Choosing tip weight

[silent sniper]

Snowplow, you are correct that as you increase your point weight your trajectory gets worse and worse. In my 58# longbow I started out with 265 grains up front with a total arrow weight around 650-700 grains. I have sense dropped back to 175 upfront and I have gained hunting distance because of the flatter trajectory.

 You must remember trad hunters want to get as close as possible, so gaining hunting yardage isn't their first concern. I was in your shoes a year ago when I made the switch.

  You must completely retrain your brain from how you used to hunt with a compound. Instead of " how can I shoot 10 yards farther", its "how can I get 20 yards closer". Both of my deer last year were shot under 15 yards.

  Now when I am at the 3D range flinging 60 yard shots than yes a lighter set up certainty makes a difference in trajectory. But for a 15 yard hunting shot you will never know the difference between 125 upfront or 300.

  I would recommend 150-175 myself. I feel 175 grain point weight gives the best of both penetration and trajectory. But that's just my .02  Cheers SS

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Originally posted by snowplow:
Thanks guys. I was considering not going too drastic and either running a 150 grain glue on Interceptor or 130 grain glue on Tigershark with the once piece insert/adapters that supposedly weight 35 grains and are same as a normal insert. I have a target tip set (different weights) in the mail to try.

With a 200-250 grain head you guys must be getting considerable arrow arc. Dont get me wrong, that doesn't bother me, but is seems like on the other side of things it would make shooting 10x harder by making every shot way less forgiving to yardage. Do you guys notice this?

You are right on the money as far as not getting carried away with EFOC. Your arrow trajectory WILL be much flatter with a moderate FOC balance of 150
grains... You can also use brass inserts to add more front weight & use a lighter broadhead.... a good compromise is about 15-17% FOC and still maintain a good flat trajectory.

You are going to find a lot of debate on FOC, EFOC and penetration. You need not drink the kool-aid brutha.... a 125-150 grain broad head will kill anything in North America and most everything in the world shooting 10 gpp. and will give you a flatter trajectory.

btw.... i killed more elk with 100 grain broadheads and 444 grain arrows with complete pass throughs with a compound bow than most guys will shoot in a life time.... So just ignore that crap about bugs and light weight arrows not doing the job. As much as i love traditional archery. The compound bow is a superior weapon..... i like doing it the hard way personally.

[amicus]

Originally posted by Kirkll:
 

Originally posted by snowplow:
Thanks guys. I was considering not going too drastic and either running a 150 grain glue on Interceptor or 130 grain glue on Tigershark with the once piece insert/adapters that supposedly weight 35 grains and are same as a normal insert. I have a target tip set (different weights) in the mail to try.

With a 200-250 grain head you guys must be getting considerable arrow arc. Dont get me wrong, that doesn't bother me, but is seems like on the other side of things it would make shooting 10x harder by making every shot way less forgiving to yardage. Do you guys notice this?

You are right on the money as far as not getting carried away with EFOC. Your arrow trajectory WILL be much flatter with a moderate FOC balance of 150
grains... You can also use brass inserts to add more front weight & use a lighter broadhead.... a good compromise is about 15-17% FOC and still maintain a good flat trajectory.

You are going to find a lot of debate on FOC, EFOC and penetration. You need not drink the kool-aid brutha.... a 125-150 grain broad head will kill anything in North America and most everything in the world shooting 10 gpp. and will give you a flatter trajectory.

btw.... i killed more elk with 100 grain broadheads and 444 grain arrows with complete pass throughs with a compound bow than most guys will shoot in a life time.... So just ignore that crap about bugs and light weight arrows not doing the job. As much as i love traditional archery. The compound bow is a superior weapon..... i like doing it the hard way personally. [/b]

If you do a side by side comparison of an efoc arrow and one thats not an efoc arrow you would be hardpressed to deny the obivious advantages of a efoc arrow. There is a common sense approch to efoc you have to find what works best with your set up. You just can put a 300 grain tip and call it good. You have to practice with what set up you chose light or heavy. The most important thing is that your accurate.

I don't think a compound bow is superior in any way.  :confused:  

Gilbert

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Well Gilbert... That's exactly what i was trying to explain to snowplow is that there is a constant debate about EFOC arrows vs a moderate FOC.  I'm not going to going to my own theory's and tests and try and convince anyone trajectory is is more important than penetration. But EFOC does effect trajectory. Down range after the arrow slows down there is a significant difference between the two.

Granted... if you limit your shooting distance to 12-15 yards it probably wont be much. But if you hunt and shoot at 30-40 yards you are going to see a bunch of difference in the arrows trajectory....

Once i start limiting my shots to 12 yards i'm going to start using a spear.      

This could easily get into a big hair ball debate about shooting distance ethics, and penetration tests on water buffalo... I'm not having any part of it..... You guys can have at it. I've done the tests and killed a lot of elk.