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Michigan food plot
« on: May 27, 2014, 11:37:00 AM »
Hey guys just wanted a little input. Been plantin turnips and brassica last few years with a so so result on the deer consumption and Im going to try somethin new this year. Right now im leaning twords Oats, ladino clover and i need one more that would go well with thesw any info would be greatly appreciated. Oh i shoukd add this is for a fall plot planting mid august. Thanks!
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2014, 12:54:00 PM »
Rye seems to work

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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2014, 02:40:00 PM »
I just planted a few hundred Autumn Olive bushes myself. The Michigan DNR made it illegal to buy them after January 1 2014. I've had mine in dormant storage since December 2013. I also have a wildlive planting mixture that has Rye,Rape,and Clover all in the same bag I'm planting later. I cannot wait till that A.O. starts growing. MEGA cover. I think the DNR made it illegal because it is very aggressive growing,and invasive. I will keep an eye on it. May need to do some control cutting in a couple years. We will see.   rat'
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2014, 03:43:00 PM »
Yeah I second riverrat2 on the Rye,Rape & Clover mix. My son in-law uses that mixture and has excellent results!
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2014, 04:40:00 PM »
riverrat that is a lot of Autumn Olive.  It is more like an invasive species and will wind up all over your property after the birds get thru.  I am pulling it out all the time and it is hard to get rid of. JMHO

I third what RR2 planted as that is what I plant on my place.

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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2014, 04:43:00 PM »
Sounds like you're on the right track.  Oats work really good if you plant them mid to end of July, all the BIG farmers around here use them for a cover crop after peas and string beans, depending on the timing and weather they'll start to head out, and the deer really go for them towards late season after the first hard killing frost, it'll do something with the sugars in the plant and makes them really sweet. Het rat, keep an eye of those A.O.s they are super invasive if you don't keep them in check, and be careful triming them up they've got some nasty thorns too!!!
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2014, 06:00:00 PM »
Autumn Olive -  look out buddy,  that stuff can get out of control and take over quick.   Constant battle to keep it in check,  birds will spread it too.
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2014, 06:05:00 PM »
You have a good mix planned already. If anything keep the brassic still lightly in the mix.  Also if you don't have any get some late dropping apple trees
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2014, 06:36:00 PM »
What you can and should plant is as varied as the soil in the state. Where is your land located? Much of the "up north" land is hunting land for the very reason that it's poor land for crops.

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We've been doing plots/fields for deer since the 1970's. My place is in the southern end of the NLP of Michigan, about an hour north of Grand Rapids. I've spent many of hundreds, if not 1000's of hours over the decades clearing plots and doing prep work. Much of it was making clearings from forest.

I don't hunt over my plots, if I plant them in a given year. I consider plots to be a food source a good general draw to the general area and I try to hunt trails leading to and from. Hunting over a plot in heavily pressured area's will almost certainly mean that the plot is mostly used after dark.

With that said, trust me on my mistakes and what I've learned.

1. Have realistic expectations. If your soil is acidic and sandy, you're never going to get many/most plots to grow, like you'd see on TV or magazines, unless you spend a ton of money on lime, fert and perhaps manure. On the same token, have realistic expectations of rack size in such places. While you can attempt to help achieve age classes, realize that a 3-4 year old buck in sandy acidic soils isn't going to be what most call "trophy class", but instead likely a very respectable 120 class buck. Just sayin'.

2. GET A SOIL SAMPLE. I cannot stress this enough. You'll save tons of time and money. Find out what you're working with.

3. Work with what you have. If it's sandy, you could get your ph up after lots of time and money, but then a dry summer will take it all away. I've had great looking clover plots that I frost seeded in March completely burn out in a 90 degree July with little rain. Keep in mind, with the sand, the moisture line will be far deeper than the root system of the plot plant. Also keep in mind that much of the recreational hunting land in MI/WI is hunting land because few smart settlers wanted to farm it. And the farmers that got suckered into farming much of that land after the timber boom went belly up, quickly. That's a clue.

4. If you already have an opening that looks fairly ready for a food plot, keep in mind that little grows there for a reason. It's likely very dry and very acidic. Many "old openings" in the NLP can't even support scotch pines and barely autumn olive. You'll waste your money on such an opening unless you do something simple, like rye or winter wheat planted in mid-August.

My end advice, if typical northern sands, is concentrate on doing fall annuals, like oats, winter wheat, rye and brassica's.

If you do brassica's, do a mix of turnips and rape. If poor soil, your turnips will be more carrot size than regular turnip size. Also, in poor soils, I suggest planting around a big rain in late July or early August, despite most bags saying to plant in late August or early September. Brassica's grow really slow in poor soils, in my experience. Also, since the seed is tiny, you can work up the soil and just spread it on top and don't do anything else, if seeded right before a heavy rain. The rain will beat it in, since it's sized like #9 birdshot.

If you do grains, do a mix of rye, winter wheat and oats. The oats typically don't do well with frost. Also, turkey and deer love the grains come Spring melt off.

I personally like the grains mix the best, with 40% rye, 40% winter wheat and 20% oats. They grow in about anything, the deer hammer them in forest settings and they're pretty bullet proof, plus they are there at Spring melt off, when deer need food the most.

Just keep in mind again, it's really hard to make a silk purse from a sows ear. Go with the flow and work with what works best with what you're working with.

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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2014, 09:07:00 PM »
The land i am planting is very fertile actusly the only thng seperating my little cove as i call it is about 10 rows of corn the the farmer plants to give the deer some cover between my soon to be plot and his soy bean field...super great neighbor as you can see
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2014, 09:40:00 PM »
I have had real good luck with Buck Forage oats. They produce a lot of forage and last till late in the fall here in Kansas.

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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2014, 09:42:00 PM »
Sounds like a great place. Good luck with whatever you do.
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2014, 09:58:00 PM »
Thanks its a project me and father inlaw have been working on for a long time. no huge peice of property or anything just taken advantage of what we have.
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2014, 07:21:00 AM »
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Originally posted by riverrat 2:
I just planted a few hundred Autumn Olive bushes myself. The Michigan DNR made it illegal to buy them after January 1 2014. I've had mine in dormant storage since December 2013. I also have a wildlive planting mixture that has Rye,Rape,and Clover all in the same bag I'm planting later. I cannot wait till that A.O. starts growing. MEGA cover. I think the DNR made it illegal because it is very aggressive growing,and invasive. I will keep an eye on it. May need to do some control cutting in a couple years. We will see.   rat'
I'm surprised the DNR banned it....they sure planted enough of it over the years. They even gave out the seeds when you bought your back tag several years back. Deer and rabbits love it for cover...rabbits eat it. Not sure about deer feeding on it.
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2014, 10:44:00 AM »
Roger,I planned on buying it in the spring of 2014. When I called the nursery in Freesoil,MI. they told me the news that it would be banned on Jan.1 2014. Well,I jumped on the plants to be certain to have them. I may have planted to many,don't know yet. I have them 8' apart in a clearcut I made through the winter. Lot of work. Hoping for good results. As far as the deer eating it I've heard they like the berries a lot. I did it for a thick cover as a large portion of our property is mature wooded and the deer don't seem to like the open woods the big trees provide. Maybe I'll have them feeling very cozy in a year or two.   rat'
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2014, 01:59:00 PM »
LIFE HISTORY AND INVASIVE BEHAVIOR
Autumn olive and Russian olive are closely related and
similar in life history and invasiveness. Reproduction
is primarily by seed, but also from root-crown
sprouting and suckering. Seeds can remain viable for 3
years. Although not in the legume family, both species have nitrogen-fixing root nodules and are
able to tolerate infertile soils and disrupt nutrient cycles in native plant communities. Their
prolific and rapid growth enable them to compete with native plants for water, light and other Forest Invasive Plants Resource Center -  http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/invasiveplants/  
 
 
Dense growth of autumn olive.
resources, eventually displacing them entirely, resulting in dense thickets. Russian olive can also
disrupt site hydrology and create a fire hazard. Both begin producing flowers and fruit after only
3-5 years, eventually producing up to 8 pounds of fruit per plant. Seeds are dispersed mainly by
birds but also by mammals and water flow. These species are highly invasive in some habitats
and regions, and once established are extremely difficult to control.
 
IMPACT ON FORESTRY AND FORESTERS
 On Forestry: Autumn and Russian olives both outcompete desirable vegetation. They
are challenging and expensive to eradicate and can interfere with tree regeneration. Russian
olive can alter local hydrology in lowland riparian forests by rapid evapo-transpiration and
stabilization of formerly flooded soils, rendering sites inhospitable to native lowland tree species.
Dense thickets may create hazardous fuel loads for wildfires.
 On Foresters: These species form dense thorny thickets, making it difficult to work in
infested areas

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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2014, 03:13:00 PM »
These are going to work PERFECT!! thanks to you David for an informative article. It is going to be interesting how they act. I planted these in a lowland area,and it is surrounded by very,very,big hardwoods that have a heavily shaded canopy during the summer. They won't do well there. And anywhere else they go on our property would likely be a blessing. If they get to aggressive....So will I. I've got 2 hot rod Stihl's that just love a challenge! aim small...I wish you the best of luck on your improvements.   rat'
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2014, 10:02:00 PM »
Autumn olive is terrible and terribly invasive and it's another example of screwing up state lands by our DNR. It was meant to improve grouse habitat, and failed miserably. Now it is taking over.

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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2014, 08:46:00 AM »
Yes. The DNR should not have planted it in public access/state owned taxpayer lands. I'll do as I wish on mine. I need thickets to improve hunting oppurtunitys for myself,and grandchildren. The state just mowed down over 2000 acres of trees 1/2 mile from our place for a new highway bypass. I'm going to try and establish new habitat. If anybody has a problem with that,guess what.....It's there problem.  rat'
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Re: Michigan food plot
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2014, 01:55:00 PM »
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I have had real good luck with Buck Forage oats. They produce a lot of forage and last till late in the fall here in Kansas.
Just in Indiana were it says Kansas for me.  Also believe it or not mid August may be little early to plant if still hot and dry.  Good to go up till late September.  Most important thing period is to get the soil tested and amend soil as needed.  Then maybe fertilize once.

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