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Author Topic: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks  (Read 857 times)

Offline silent sniper

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unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« on: July 04, 2014, 09:25:00 AM »
Hello everyone, I was a bit bored yesterday so I decided to try some broadhead testing.

 All shots were with a 51# cari-bow wolverine with a 29" heritage 150 shaft.
     Let me first say this is not an official test by any means and is not a fair test of these Grizzly vs Simmons test. This is simply an overview of my test and the conclusions I came out from it.
 
     There are no pictures as I didn't except to be posting results but I was intrigued so I did.

    I found a fresh road kill coon by my house that I decided to use as a testing medium to see the damage created by 165 grain land sharks and 120 grain grizzly RW single bevels with aluminum adapter that comes out at 175 grains.

  The shot distance was 10-12 yards.

   I started with the grizzly broadhead. From a scale of 1-10 with 1 being no edge and 10 being scary sharp; this broadhead was a 8 to start with. I didn't have it at quite the right angle when I sharpened it so it was not as sharp as I wanted.

  The first 5 shots were practice shots and close misses that dulled the blade a bit by not too much. I shot the coon 3 times, with one being centered through the humerus bone below the shoulder.

   I found that the grizzly did in fact cut the S curve hole like I was hoping for. the total width of The cut averaged a tad over 1”, I believe having a super sharp head may have increased this. I found that the spinning action of the cut kept the wound channel more open and the hole didn’t close itself up easily.

  I did find that the shot that hit the humerus completely severed the bone in half. But on inspection of the blade I found small nicks and dents in the blade, which surprised me a bit.

  Next was the landshark. Now this was a hunt ready head that I grabbed out of my hunting gear. This one was an 9 on the sharpness scale. But with 3 close misses into the dirt it was no longer a razor when it did hit the coon. The first 2 shots were centered through the chest/ribs. I was amazed to see the wound channel of the land shark. It was very close to 2” in width and did some serious internal damage.  The width of the wound was almost twice that of the grizzly, but it did lay a little flatter together than the grizzly.
  I wanted to try something extreme for the last shot. I wanted to do one up over the grizzly as far as bone penetration. I decided to try a broadside shot at the skull.
The land shark impacted at the temple region, crashing through the thickest part of the skull. The broadhead penetrated all the way through the skull. On closer inspection the skull had almost been cut in half from the land shark. The blade had absolutely no damage to speak of.
After all the shots both broadheads were in the 3 range of sharpness, they still had a defined edge but would not cleanly slice paper.
On sharpening, the grizzlies are very easy to work with. On my KME the grizzly head went from dull to a 10 out of 10 scary sharp in under 10 minutes. The landshark took 10 minutes with a jewel stick and a good burr still hasn’t been raised enough for me to re-sharpen it.

I did this testing because I am trying to set up a hunting rig for my 60# wolverine this fall. I was debating between a penetration broadhead such as the grizzly vs a large cut broadhead like the simmons.  For me I want to spill as much blood as quickly as possible, as I believe the quicker the blood pressure is dropped, the faster and thus, more humane the kill is. More testing is in need but my hypothesis is that a  land/tiger shark with bleeders or tree shark could be the ultimate blood dropper for whitetails. With enough bow to push them I don’t think penetration would be a problem and the cut would drop a lot of blood very quickly.
Final thoughts: I love the look of a S cut, I was surprised the coon leg bone chipped the grizzly blade, and I have a hard time getting the landsharks sharp again on my KME with the jewel stick. They just take a lot of time for me to get sharp compared to others.
So guys that’s what I have. It is nothing scientific and probably not a fair representation of the broadheads. Give me your feedback whether good or bad. Any thoughts on killing power between the single bevel vs a wide double bevel? As we all know any broadhead in the sweet spot equals a dead animal.  I hope you guys enjoyed, SS.

Offline Jeremy Gentry

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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2014, 11:39:00 AM »
I like you shoot a 61# wolverine. I also like you like a big blood trail. This year I am going to try out the centaur big game heads. They are like the Simmons but you can get them in a single bevel.
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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2014, 12:55:00 PM »
Regarding the grizzlies, I don't believe you'd hurt one of their heavier heads. The heavier ones are much beefier.

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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2014, 12:58:00 PM »
Thanks for the report.  I go between a three blade, a single bevel and Simmons.  Each has their advantages and disadvantages.  Always good to hear some comparisons.
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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2014, 12:58:00 PM »
Although not completely without merit, I’m glad to see you point out that your testing was purely experimental and not very scientific Taylor. Too often people will do some brief test comparison shooting like this and come to what they believe to be rock solid, set in stone conclusions.

I need to preface what I’m about to say with the following statement:

Good, easy to follow, bloodtrails that result in relatively simple recovery are always the result of 3 primary contributing factors, and we have to have all 3 in combination:

1) Shot placement

2) Penetration

3) The level of broadhead sharpness

Shot placement is of course number 1. The sharpest BHD in the world won’t make up for a bad hit. Penetration is equally important because 2 holes will always bleed better than one, and broken glass sharpness promotes unimpeded blood flow far more than marginally sharp blades do.

That said, there is another factor which while hardly ever discussed or mentioned is quite possibly the most important contributor to successful game recovery:  The animal’s reaction to being shot or “flight response”.  Flight response is critical because it’s a whole lot easier to recover an animal that doesn’t run off after being shot than it is to recover one that heads for the next county at light speed the instant the arrow and broadhead connect. Long 3:1 broadheads impart far less “Whack” or perceived impact than do shorter more compact Delta style broadheads no matter the blade count. (although this is a pretty clear instance where less (blades) is actually more (greater reduction in perceived impact).

I’m in a very fortunate position in that I get to hear many detailed follow up and recovery stories from our friends and customers mainly because I always ask for these reports after helping people learn to sharpen their BHDs. I honestly can’t count the stories I heard of deer that never even ran after being shot. Too many instances to count of deer making a quick jump or two then just standing there looking around like “what was that”? I’ve heard of several deer that walked back and sniffed the bloody shaft sticking in the ground, and quite a few instances where the deer actually went back to feeding after being shot. All of the above after complete pass-throughs, and with blood pouring out both sides the whole time. The longest recovery distance I can remember was about 75 yards with the great majority of these type shots resulting in recovery distances of 35 yards or so. (I can’t say why but 35 yards seems to be the recovery distance I most often hear). While I’m sure this can be achieved with almost any COC broadhead when everything goes just right, all of these “zero flight response” stories I’ve heard have been from people shooting relatively heavy arrows with long 3:1 two blade heads and most were single bevel as well.

Just something else to think about when we’re choosing our broadheads.  :thumbsup:  


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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2014, 08:04:00 PM »
Very interesting observation Sharpster.  Not trying to steal this thread but I wonder how many have "experienced" this also?
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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2014, 09:22:00 PM »
Shot my first deer last fall w trad bow.  600 grain goldtip w grizzly broadhead.  Complete pass thru, deer jumped took a few steps then started wagging its tail and fell over.  I think sharpster has a valid point.  If I would have shot that same deer w a rage broadhead, no way the deer isn't on a dead run until it runs out of gas.  I've killed several deer w my compound and never had a deer die that calmly before.

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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2014, 08:14:00 AM »
That is very interesting! I never thought about the flight response as a factor to the quickness of death but I realize now it most certainty is!

I shot 2 deer last year with a land shark and at impact both of them took off on a dead run like they had been shot with a gun. They both ran 75 yards before going down.

Very good stuff there Ron, certainly changes my whole thinking aspect on the lethality of 3:1 single bevels. Thanks, SS

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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2014, 08:21:00 AM »
Ron here is something I wrote a few months ago pretty much what your saying. Couldn't agree more

 http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=137400;p=3

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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2014, 08:44:00 AM »
Great observations here!  I'll add for posterity, the one time it happened to me (zero flight response) I was using a Grizzly on a skinny carbon.

Shot placement was undoubtedly a factor too, I happened to make a perfect shot and no heavy bone was hit either.
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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2014, 08:53:00 AM »
Similar experience to Braveheart's.  Shot a 5 point bull elk with one of Harry Elburg's original 160 grain Grizzly broadheads on a wood arrow with an Elburg 66# Condor longbow.  The elk was grazing and the arrow had complete penetration, no bones hit.  He kept on grazing and only exhibited a slight flinch, much like reaction to a bug bite.

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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2014, 04:22:00 PM »
A 75 yard hellacious blood trail from a shark is not a bad thing either
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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2014, 05:46:00 PM »
2 years back I had a doe that stood there like nothing happened with a 4 blade that was VERY sharp. Hit no bones to speak of on that shot.

Then I shot a buck that ran like a scalded dog, but I busted his offside shoulder after going through 2 lungs.

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Re: unofficial grizzly/simmons broadhead testing/remarks
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2014, 05:47:00 PM »
Also, a deer can easily cover 100 yards in 8 or 9 seconds on a death run.

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