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Author Topic: 4. Flech or 3  (Read 2874 times)

Online Roger Norris

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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2014, 07:16:00 AM »
Terry - what length feather do you use?

I'm thinking about experimenting with 4 3"
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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2014, 07:51:00 AM »
4 - 5 inch Roger lower profile than my 3 inch that I still have on some arrows but don't fletch any more....some say the 4th feather slows them down....I say they, nor I, can shoot the difference.  

I made this shot a couple of year ago....right in front of 6 compounders....100 yards at midnight....instinctive.

Needless to say, it blew their minds, and one bowyer now has 6 bows on order because of it...I'm not even kidding...

       

No look knocking,...short range dismissal of paradox for close range hogs, more forgiving when I have to 'manufacture a shot'. (stabilization was realized in boat props 20 years ago in 4 blades over 3s.)  Rain, briars ripping off part of one.  The use of big broadheads, and non extreme foc for more level flight and straighter impacts with the weight of the arrow following more closely directly behind the head

This in NO WAY IS KNOCKING 3 fletch, NOR is this a recommendation against 3 fletch, just some of the positive for ME and MY hunting style. I have 5.5 3 fletch that really does most all of the sme as above...but the no look knocking and lower profile for shooting through holes in this stuff is the main reason I changed, once I did, I found a HOST of other positives as mentioned above.

I think Curt Cabrera(Guru), who got that nickname from back when he played softball, uses 4 inch, but his are higher profile than mine...so we use about the same surface area.

Here's a clip of my four fletch, hard to tell, but at this distance the arrows are almost straight into the target, NOT tail high, due to average foc bout 20%.  So, the arrows is stabler from paradox, straighter behind the broadhead, maximizing the arrow's weight at the point of impact to aid the broadhead though the animal at a straighter distance with less drag from a tail high impact..

 Broadside profile with wife\\'s 1st time filming commentary

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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2014, 08:43:00 AM »
I tried a 4 fletch last year (1 arrow) it was louder, and WAY slower. I was using 5" fletching. It would probably be ok with some shorter feathers on there.

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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2014, 08:53:00 AM »
Lone...not sure what cut your were using, but there is no sound difference in my 3 vs 4 fletch.  Like I said, I went from height back 3s to regular back 4s.  Same surface area, or pretty darn close.
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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2014, 10:31:00 AM »
Good sound advice Terry w/o being offensive.I've found the same benefits when using 4 fletch also.

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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2014, 12:46:00 PM »
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I am thinking of building some 4 fletch too. The reaso being is that I want more spin and me helical twist is not very much on my jig. I guess that 4 feathers will have more turnig effect than 3 because there is the added surface area of the 4th feather ad thus addition rotation force... alex321

Your arrow will only spin as much as your off-set and helical are set to on your jig...no more, no less.  In this case 4 fletch, six or ten...will not make it spin any faster (revolutions per distance traveled).  Think of it like the rifling in a rifle barrel.  More surface area will likely start the arrow spinning a little quicker (distance from the bow) as it "grabs" more air, and that, I think, is what you were thinking.

You cannot increase your helical, that is fixed in the clamp itself, you can off-set your clamp (Bitzenburger?) more thereby increasing the rate of your arrow spin.  Make sense?

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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2014, 05:06:00 PM »
My good friend and shooting buddy loves 4-4" fletch and I love my 3-5" fletch. I see no advantage over either during our shooting over the years. To me it's just a personal preference same as shooting split finger or 3 under.

tradarcher, you have some good looking arrows there bud but those toes need some work.
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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2014, 06:43:00 PM »
Fletcher my first 4 7" arrow today (tip to tail it's like 40.5") and it did its best impression of a laser beam toward the yellow ring.  Gonna have to lower the height to pick up some speed, but the four fletch really does work.  Hit like a freight train, now just needs to pick up some weight.

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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2014, 08:11:00 PM »
Yeah...like I said...for me there are several advantages...mainly the no look nocking.

And yes, it does and has come in handy on many occasions....mostly hog hunting.
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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2014, 08:38:00 PM »
Terry if I may ask who was the maker of the bow that you made that 100 yard shot with?
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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2014, 07:31:00 AM »
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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2014, 03:14:00 PM »
Terry, they were 5" shield cut with a pretty heavy helical. Noticeably slower at 20 yards. (3-4" drop under my 3 fletch) but I am "only" shooting a 41# bow at my draw.

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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2014, 05:18:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Terry Green:
4 - 5 inch Roger lower profile than my 3 inch that I still have on some arrows but don't fletch any more....some say the 4th feather slows them down....I say they, nor I, can shoot the difference.  

I made this shot a couple of year ago....right in front of 6 compounders....100 yards at midnight....instinctive.

Needless to say, it blew their minds, and one bowyer now has 6 bows on order because of it...I'm not even kidding...

       

No look knocking,...short range dismissal of paradox for close range hogs, more forgiving when I have to 'manufacture a shot'. (stabilization was realized in boat props 20 years ago in 4 blades over 3s.)  Rain, briars ripping off part of one.  The use of big broadheads, and non extreme foc for more level flight and straighter impacts with the weight of the arrow following more closely directly behind the head

This in NO WAY IS KNOCKING 3 fletch, NOR is this a recommendation against 3 fletch, just some of the positive for ME and MY hunting style. I have 5.5 3 fletch that really does most all of the sme as above...but the no look knocking and lower profile for shooting through holes in this stuff is the main reason I changed, once I did, I found a HOST of other positives as mentioned above.

I think Curt Cabrera(Guru), who got that nickname from back when he played softball, uses 4 inch, but his are higher profile than mine...so we use about the same surface area.

Here's a clip of my four fletch, hard to tell, but at this distance the arrows are almost straight into the target, NOT tail high, due to average foc bout 20%.  So, the arrows is stabler from paradox, straighter behind the broadhead, maximizing the arrow's weight at the point of impact to aid the broadhead though the animal at a straighter distance with less drag from a tail high impact..

 Broadside profile with wife\\'s 1st time filming commentary

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Geez Terry....I am always impressed with your shooting. We need to go stumping up at SHrewHaven someday.    :thumbsup:  Ron and I have been in some pretty fierce 3D competition with each other the last few weekends. It would be nice to have someone come up here and whip both our a$$. Then we could just shoot and enjoy the day instead of jabbering at each other    :biglaugh:
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Re: 4. Flech or 3
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2014, 08:45:00 PM »
That would be a blast Roger!!!
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