So, I previously complained about the quality and fit of the original Damascus gloves being sold by 3Rivers. On the recommendation of someone during that thread, I ordered one of the goatskin Damascus style and one of the deerskin Berlin style gloves in medium from Kustom King. Thanks to whomever suggested this, as these gloves are first rate in quality and fit properly. The goatskin glove even says "Damscus" on it, but it is made by Bear Paw archery and not the original company. I really like them both, but if you shoot heavier bows the deerskin glove is the one you want; it has much more finger protection and cordovan finger tips for smooth releases. I'm going to order about five more of each so that I'll have them on hand, just in case something changes like it did with the Damscus gloves. Both these gloves are fine quality, well worth your money. Paul.