Miller vs schulz

[Dan bree]

Hey guys . Do you think a miller all bamboo will shoot and feel the same as one of johns bows. . I know Dave was a student of johns  so it should be the same . But I read someware that John put a little something in his that he didn't tell anybody. .?

[Orion]

Huh?  They're glass and bamboo or wood. I assume either will put carbon into the limbs if you want it. One may be tapered a bit different than the other, or the lamination or glass thicknesses and widths may be somewhat different, but there's no secret ingredient (but nice marketing if you can get people to believe there is).    

It is way more fun to think that there is a magic involved. Only a real killjoy would think that personal adaptations  and adjustments calibrated with exacting standards which developed over a period of years of objective analysis would be at the heart of it.  But then looking at the pics of the first four, I notice that there are slight variations in the fadeouts. Then there is the comment stated that no two bows will shoot exactly alike, by John, which is correct. That leaves it up to the complex category of art, an immeasurable quantity of innovation, inspiration, craftsmanship, and luck.

[Green]

Pavan - you DO have a way with words.     :D

[nineworlds9]

I would think there would be a difference regardless of whether John passed on every single thing he knew to David.  The human aspect cannot be denied- different hands, tactile sense, different set of eyes, different emotions and intuitions.  Testing of all types cannot find any difference between the sound quality of a Stradivarius vs of a violin made by a modern day master luthier, and yet folks will pay tens of millions of $ for a Stradivarius because they are convinced it is magical.  Personally, I think they are a little magical seeing as they were constructed in the 18th century with only hand tools and a knowledge set not all that far removed from the Dark Ages.  I think ultimately comparing a Schulz and a Miller is unfair, both bowyers have mastered their craft, one passed on his legacy to the next.  I can only hope that someone out there takes up where David leaves off someday.  

Pavan nailed it.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

I would think David's Hawk with the curved bamboo would shoot differently than John's all bamboo model.  Just my guess because I don't own either, but I do own one of John's American Longbows with fiberglass and one of David's Expedition Longbows with carbon.  Both shoot very similar to each other, but a slight edge on speed tested thru a chronograph to the Expedition.

When those carbon backed Expeditions were coming out, I heard about it soon enough to be one of the first ones, I just cannot believe that I did not jump all of over one.  By the time I tried, the list was too long for my patience.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

It took eight months when I ordered mine and during the whole time I wasn't sure if I would have David make me a Hawk or an Expedition.  Finally decided to go with the expedition for longer life, I like to shoot a lot.  I certainly think it is one of my finest bows and it is a real looker!

[Rossco7002]

Haha.. Same for me. FWIW - I owned a Schulz all bamboo and it was a real joy to shoot, as I suspect David's are. My feeling is that the character of each bow would be defined more by the individuality of the wood more than differences between each bowyers "technique" - looking at their offerings side by side the lineage and resemblance is readily apparent.

[Hud]

I own both, and can see differences between them, characteristics that identify the bowyer.

[Wudstix]

They should both be close.

Jan. 5 is the starting date to bid on the Schulz bows.  My son says there should be some sports style betting spread to see which one goes for the most and for how much.  He is a CPA and thinks of stuff like that, I do know anything about gambling or approve of it, but hey, I've got a change jar.  Megamilions and Powerball here I come, I got a better chance of getting struck by lightening on a cold winter day than I do of winning the lottery and buying up all of those Schulz bows. But if I did, I would only keep one for myself and give the rest away to those that would hunt with one until it was wore out.  It would be an insult to John to not use it.

[Pat B.]

Pavan, where will the action be held ?

I found the site, thanks

Edunk,

[Hud]

The auction is used to determine highest price, early,   :confused:  and does so by flushing out those with deep pockets.  

[SquareHead]

Does anybody have any opinion, or experience, on how these last bows will shoot?  I have shot a number of Hill style bows before.  They were nice bows, but I didn't care for the hand shock.  With this being sting follow bows, I wonder how much hand shock one will feel.  Would appreciate any opinions.  I am looking at one of the lighter bows such as the 48#.

Thanks,

Chris