Alright, I've tried almost all of your suggestions, except bare shafting. Turning the cock feather in, and shooting split fingers seamed to help a little, but it destroyed my shooting. I used lip stick, and only mark I could find was from my cock feather on the riser, about 3/8 above the shelf. With the cock feather out, I couldn't find a mark. So I got some thick leather and glued it to my existing stock strike plate. Shooting almost bullet holes. I think one of my problems was shooting off of my finger tips, instead of making a good hook. It seemed in my mind that barely holding the string would help with release, but that is not the case. With a good hook deep in the first joint It improved my shooting almost instantly. hooking really helped me hit my second lock after release more consistently. So In the end, shimmed out strike plate and cock feather in is best results( with some improvement on my hook). I am going to shoot like crazy for the next week, and then put my broad heads on and see what happens. This forum is awesome. My pro shop here is terrible, and they make me feel stupid for asking questions, like I should know the answers. Not going to mention names but it is the only one in Grand Junction CO. Any how it feels like I'm on track and just need to work on my form and shooting. Thanks for all the advise. I'm sure you will be hearing from me again at some point. If I am lucky enough to kill a bird next month (over the counter, public land) I will try and post some pictures.