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Author Topic: Wyoming black bear advice  (Read 292 times)

Offline Julian

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Wyoming black bear advice
« on: August 04, 2015, 07:28:00 PM »
I tried asking in the dangerous game forum to no avail so ill give it a whirl here... Any of y'all have experience hunting black bear in the H region or area 86? It's a do it yourself mule deer hunt with a friend but I'd like to try for a bear. Won't have the benefit of a bait site so I'm looking for other viable options. Is calling in this area a bad idea due to grizzly??  Any input will be greatly appreciated. We will be there mid to late September and will be camping for eleven nights if that helps.
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Offline centaur

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Re: Wyoming black bear advice
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2015, 08:03:00 PM »
You might get lucky and find a cooperative blackie, but there are griz in the area, too. I killed a bear that came to an elk bugle years ago, and a buddy did the same thing the following year, but you might call up a bear with a big hump on his back looking for a meal. I think I would stick to spot and stalk and then be sure to know the difference between a black bear and his larger cousin. Wyoming bear numbers aren't quite like surrounding mountain states, so don't expect to see a bear around every hill. You might want to contact the local warden in Pinedale or Bondurant and see what he can tell you. Good luck and stay safe.
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Offline Julian

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Re: Wyoming black bear advice
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2015, 09:06:00 PM »
That's what I was afraid of, I definetly dont want to call up the wrong character!!  I've had good luck calling coyotes down here and thought it might be an option but it seems like it may be to big of a risk, guess I will keep looking for a way to get one in range of the ole' browning.

Thanks for your input
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Offline centaur

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Re: Wyoming black bear advice
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2015, 02:20:00 PM »
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Offline Julian

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Re: Wyoming black bear advice
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2015, 03:41:00 PM »
I hadn't seen the details on that incident but my friend who lives in Jackson hole told me that someone had been attacked and killed recently. I knew grizzly were heavily populated in the park just wasn't sure about the area I would be hunting. He told me just yesterday his campsite was destroyed by a bear while he was away. He says it was a black bear judging by the tracks but still a little unnerving...
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Re: Wyoming black bear advice
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2015, 06:14:00 PM »
I have been an outfitter in that area for the past 6 years and do have some camps in region H.  We hunt the upper Hoback region, the Horse Creek drainages to the south of the Hoback and everything inbetween.  6 years ago I killed a 4x5 bull elk on opening day of archery season and sat on the gut pile waiting for a bear.  The gut pile was only a quarter mile from our base camp.   It took a day and a half to get the bear.  I killed a nice chocolate phase black bear that had been raiding our Mule Creek Camp every night.

  Our hunters will cover a lot of miles on horse back, probably 3-5 times the country you would ever cover on foot, and we have 2-3 guides out every day.  At least one of our hunters will see a black bear during every week of hunting season.
Bears may not seem so plentiful if you are on foot.  Also available forage has a lot to do with bear sightings.  If there is a very dry year, no berries, pine cone crop failure etc.  you will see a lot of bears out looking for food.  Gut piles are especially good those years.  If you have a year of good moisture you will not see nearly as many bears...  In a dry year the female bear mortaility will be filled the first few days of rifle mule deer season, in a wet year the quota will not likely be met because less bears are seen.  We have had more rain this year than anyone can remember.  Lots of forage this year.  Not the best prospects for seeing lots of bears.

Yes, we have grizz.  My son was guiding an archery moose hunter in 2010.  Fortunately they had a 450 marlin lever action in hand when they met up with a grizz.  They had a bear charge them from 13 yards, came busting out of an alder thicket while they were stalking a big moose.  Took three rounds to drop the charging bear at their feet.  That triggers a federal investigation, bear autopsy, multiple interviews and inquisitions etc.  Usually you have to have some chew marks on you to avoid a ticket for that but sometimes just having blood on your shoelaces is enough.   Ultimately all charges were dropped, justifiable self defense.  The bear was estimated to be around 700 pounds, 7 year old boar in apparent good health.  Just wasn't much food around that year.

I have been face to face with a grizz while guiding an archery elk hunter in the south fork of the Hoback.  2 years ago we had a sow with 2 cubs in the Lead Creek drainage that parallels the trail we take to camp from the trailhead.  Jacob (my son, chief guide and outfitter of record) has found multiple dead beef cows cached by grizz in some of the hoback creek drainages for the last 2 seasons.  We have a lot of bears.  We have to respect them and carry at all times, even when you take a dump.  I really enjoy archery elk hunting in September, but cow calling around a deep dark cool wallows hole loses some of its allure when bears are so prevalent.  If I can't see 50 ft I have my hand on my 44 mag.  If I can't see 25 ft, I have it drawn and in my hand.  They are quick and can be on you in a heartbeat.  When you see young boars you tell yourself they are just passing through, looking for territory.  When you find a sow with cubs you know they are there to stay and should take precautions.

If you are going to hunt this area you have to keep your wits about you, carry at all times,  run a real clean camp and hang all of your food, cook away from your bedroll etc.  We run multiple electric wires around our camp, 50,000 volt, 50 mile electric fencer.  Runs off of a marine battery.  You have to watch out for the fence cause it will knock you on your behind if you get too close to it.  That fencer will throw a blue spark about an inch and a half if your feet are wet and you make contact.  The electrified fence does give us a little peace of mind.

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Re: Wyoming black bear advice
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2015, 10:16:00 AM »
That's some really good info thanks for your input, we are planning to be as bear conscience as possible settin up a cook site away from main camp and keeping our camp as clean as possible. None of us have any real experience in this are we just want to have a safe trip and come home in one piece with a good experience. When you say carry what would you suggest is a viable option? I plan on carrying bear spray at all times but the only large caliber pistol I have is a .45 long colt single action. I have plenty of shotguns and long gums but I don't know if that's an option since I plan on fishing and grouse hunting while I'm out and about.
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Re: Wyoming black bear advice
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2015, 11:31:00 AM »
Carry whatever you have available that you will keep with you.  Bear spray is recommended by the USFS.  We issue a can of bear spray to every hunter.  Somehow I feel better with a 44 mag. next to my heart.  My son packs a 454.  We use alaskan guide shoulder harness to carry. This rig keeps it within reach without being in the way too much.  We keep a 12 ga riot gun in the cook tent, loaded with alternating doses of double 0 buck and slugs.  Guides usually have a 450 marlin or 45/70 lever action on the saddle.  Mostly this is all fear mongering but it only takes one close call to make you a believer.

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Re: Wyoming black bear advice
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2015, 01:10:00 PM »
"We run multiple electric wires around our camp, 50,000 volt, 50 mile electric fencer. Runs off of a marine battery. You have to watch out for the fence cause it will knock you on your behind if you get too close to it. That fencer will throw a blue spark about an inch and a half if your feet are wet and you make contact." And you know this how???     :laughing:      :laughing:
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Re: Wyoming black bear advice
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2015, 06:00:00 PM »
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