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Author Topic: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???  (Read 1910 times)

Offline BigRonHuntAlot

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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2007, 09:39:00 PM »
Thanks for the Info. Will have to check some of the Ace Hex heads I have and give it a go.  :)
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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2007, 10:40:00 PM »
whats so wrong with feild tips? Every time I've shot a bladed blunt, it gets stuck in the tree the squirrel is in, and a blunt with no blade just stuns them for a few seconds. Field tips pin the lil bastards to the tree or ground, making for an easy retrevial.

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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2007, 11:08:00 PM »
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I don't alter the Hex blunt but I do keep them sharp. Keep the hollowed out part cleaned out and file sharpen the six sides. Really makes a difference.
Bob Mayo told me that a 1/2" drill bit will resharpen the dished face of Hex Heads perfectly. Haven't had occasion to try it myself yet though.

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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2007, 11:39:00 PM »
Wow! This thread is covering some serious ground.

I think (if I'm reading things right) that what's really being discussed here is what makes the best all around small game head.

If you're talking every type of "small game" out there then there's only one answer and that's a sharp broadhead.

I'll knock the stuffin out of western red squirrels all day long with HTM rubber blunts and never think twice about it, but their eastern cousins will laugh at your best shot with a rubber blunt.

I've killed a pile of grays squirrels and fox squirrels with regular old steel blunts too, but I've lost a bunch with that head as well.
Some kind of blade is needed on them for "consistent" killing shots.

Midwestern cottontails go down pretty easy to a steel blunt or HTM, but there smaller cousins in south Texas run off with the same arrows from hits in the same places.
Jackrabbits of any discription are from another planet and require a broadhead or bladed blunt... I've killed a pile of those with steel blunts as well.... mostly the big whitetail jacks of Wyoming.

The thing I found that makes a blunt truly effective is it's striking surface. Make is bigger than the shaft for increased shock, dish the face to do the same and make sure the rim is "edged". In other words, the rim shouldn't be rounded or chamfered as that lessons shock and any cutting that might happen.

That is the main downfall of the steel nut used by some hunters... they are generally rounded so shock is lessened and little if any cutting happens.
Not to mention that they tear up softwood shafts pretty easilly when hitting hard stuff like oak trees and get knocked out of alignment as well.

As Vance mentioned I did invent the Magnus Blunt and am proud of it as a small game killer, but never intended for it to cost as much as it does. That pretty much puts it out of the picture for serious squirrels shooting.... it's fairly complicated to manufacture, hence the cost.

I'd love to see the Ace Hex blunt made in a slightly larger version as it has a lot going for it, but still not quite what it takes as an all around small game head.

For the most part as bowhunters, we must play a mix and match game for the quarry we pursue. If you've got the bucks or a line on a cheap supply of 3 blade broadheads you may just have the best all around small game head going.

Like Tom said above, you sure don't want broadheads spinning back to earth after glancing off a limb overhead, so they ain't perfect either.

I don't think anyone should use field points on any type of warm blooded prey. They have NO killing traits and it just ain't right to go after something hoping only to pin it to the tree or ground until you can kill it by some other means.
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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2008, 01:18:00 AM »
bringing this thread to the top now that many of us are done with deer and are taking up small game hunting.  good info in this thread.
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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2008, 01:35:00 AM »
"Almost none knows the keen sense of satisfaction which comes from taking game with their own homemade weapons"

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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2008, 06:38:00 AM »
Field points are just the right hardness to take a pair of needle nose pliers grab the rim of the point about 1/8 " deep and "bend" downwards. The metal will fold down leaving a  1/8" x 1/8" wing. Do this on the four sides (ie: every 90 degrees). What you end up with is a neat little small game head and a cheap one at that. I think John Nail does the same thing except he saws the kerfs and then bends them down. And he has killed a boat load of squirrels the past few years.
 I can try to post a pic of what I just said if anyone wants.
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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2008, 07:19:00 AM »
Here you go

 

 

 

 
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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2008, 09:22:00 AM »
Excellent thread guys.

I switched to "banded shell casings" after I knocked a fox squirrel out of a tree with a blunt and had him give me a "is that all you've got" look as he vacated the area.  Hit was in the rib cage and I swear I heard ribs breaking with the hit.  I felt really bad about that one.  He climbed back into the same tree and then jumped into another one and left the area before I could get another hit.  Lost two arrows chasing him.

Haven't connected with one of the new arrows yet, but feel pretty confident about them, especially since I had to dig one out of a cedar after a close miss.  Rocked the whole tree, and penetrated to the shell casing (more than half an inch).

Flinttim, those look good also.  I may have to try some of them.

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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2008, 09:52:00 AM »
what do bodkins look like?, how efective are they?, thinking about buying some
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Re: cheap, bladed, squirrel killers ???
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2008, 12:31:00 PM »
Hex heads aren't cheap, but I agree, they work better than Judo...heck, I've hit rabbits that ran off and down a hole with a judo hit. Broke a squirrel's shoulder and he ran off onto posted property w/ a judo! Never again...
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