Grizzly Stiks vs FMJ DG for water buffalo

[TexasKing]

I posted this on DG also, but thought I would try here also...I am a big Grizzly Stik fan...BUT recently started shootout Full Metal Jackets( gee, thanks Bisch) and the accuracy and flat trajectory is incredible.

I have a water buffalo hunt scheduled in Argentina in a couple of months and I am really confused now..

I have heard of FMJ's failing(splitting) or more so the HIT system, by competitors. Does anyone have experience one way or the other?
I also will have a hard time getting the FOC I really would like to achieve with them...
Shooting #70 recurve and somewhere in the 900 gr arrow range.
Opinions please...

[Iowabowhunter]

Use the jb weld for the HIT inserts, or can also foot them.

Good luck, we'll be looking forward to pics!

Well, you know my opinion on the competitors claim that they fail, as we have already discussed it. I still say either one will work just fine, as long as it is well tuned and you can hit the buffalo in the right place!              

Bisch

[Steve O]

You might find this interesting. Opinions aren't always based on actual experience...

   FMJ Testing  

A friend of mine is going to Africa for Cape Buffalo. He found a guy in Oregon making an extreme FOC setup for Deep Siz and FMJ sized shifts. It had a threaded outsert, a threaded steel insert and his setup was 700 grains up front.

[TexasKing]

Thanks Steve O, I did not find that thread when I did a search...a ton of great information.

The JB Weld sounds like its the trick, and I was wondering if anyone had tried stacking inserts for added FOC, and I see they have.

Last weekend I had a pass thru on a hog, but my broadhead adapter(aluminum)snapped off when burying in the ground, slightly tearing the aluminum casing about 1/8" on the FMJ. Of course, my fault for the cheap adapter, but I haven't really looked to see if the insert (hot melt) gave away or just the torque from the broadhead(never recovered)..so kinda hard to call it FMJ failure.
Obviously, it gave me pause...but my gosh do these things tune well.

I REALLY appreciate the help

[tracker12]

I have been using FMJ for the last 5 years and they are great.  I shoot low poundage 43-46# longbows and never have trouble blowing thru deer.  If the insert moves it will split an FMJ or any carbon shaft.  It's not the arrows fault.  JB weld keeps it where it needs to be.  VPA is now marketing an outsert for the FMY but I have not used them.

[Soonerlongbow]

I love my original Grizz Sticks! A buddy now has the newer Momentums and their amazing!

[Jake Scott]

Tracker12,
Where can I find info on the outsert for the fmj by VPA??  I would like to know more.

Thanks,

Jake

[Benny Nganabbarru]

Three buffalo with the Grizzlystik Safaris or whatever they're called these days. Two were big boys, one was a mature cow.

I'm definitely not an expert, but those are my chosen arrow for buffalo... until I get back into making timber arrows in the near future.

I had the pleasure of guiding a good friend of mine onto his first bow-killed buffalo, and it was a thrill to see that heavy timber arrow melt through the cow like butter. He'd made the arrow himself. That was with his Black Widow longbow.

[Spinealigner]

A few years ago a buddy and I went to Australia and did a management hunt for Buff.   I took Grizzly sticks and He took FMJ DG.   We each shot several Buff and really couldn't see a difference in performance.

[BowArkie]

Gold tip kinetic half outsert will work on fmj's. Black eagle rampage has an ss half out that will work also, about 56 grains I think. You could use a 100gr brass hit insert pushed behind the half outsert and get 156 grains plus your arrow weight for foc.

[DarkTimber]

You can definitely stack the hit inserts on top of each other...I've done it in the past with regular Easton axis and it gives you more surface glued to the shaft to prevent pushback of the insert although as Steve O said, with JB Weld it's not really an issue.  

 I have fount that most of my arrow failures using the HIT insert were actually a failure of the broad head adapter / field point just as you experienced with the aluminum adapter.  There is about a 3/8" section of unreinforced shaft at the front end and if the broad head adapter gives it will crack the arrow at that location.  This usually occurs on angled hits.   Notice Steve O's pics were straight on shots.  Even the cheaper steel broad head seem to bend pretty easily on angled hits at that location.   If I were building a buffalo arrow I'd buy some of the high strength stainless adapters from Abowyer or tuff Head to prevent that.  Footing them will reinforce that area and help as well.  Good luck!

[hybridbow hunter]

I will be on Australia for water Buffalo in 2 monthes.
After a lot of tries and set up I finally chose a heavy set up

   


: axis .250 shaft and 500 gr point with an aluminium collar. Finished arrow 940 gr and flies good enough for me and fair amount of energy out of the bow i use. (177-178 fps)
Here is a little video of cold shooting through chrony to a small target at 18 yards or little more. It s a good way to see if it is quite effective regarding to arrow physics.

     


I weighted the arrows on video to show arrow weight for valid testing

     

[TexasKing]

Thanks for the help guys,

Hey HH, who's aluminum collar is that?

I am using the same stainless adapter with 300 gr Tuffheads...leave in 2 weeks!

[hybridbow hunter]

I use a Gold Tip balistic collar, size large. I wish you a great hunt

[J-dog]

Hybridbowhunter, what poundage are you shooting that arrow with?

Thanks!

That tuffhead looks really TOUGH!

[hybridbow hunter]

J-dog, I am shooting a 67-68# at my draw length Border black Douglas HEX 6.5 and I draw little past 31.5". Those number may seem very high for a " light" heavy bow but it is what I get. For same gpp arrow all my fastest glass bow shoot in the 10+ to 15 fps slower through same chrory.

[TexasKing]

just an update...I used hybridbow hunters setup and was very successful

got my buffalo with a single, well placed FMJ DG 300, and a 300 grain Tuffhead

thanks for all the advice and recommendations

[Hermon]

Pictures and story of hunt!!!
Congrats.

[Benny Nganabbarru]

TTT

Any thread on your Argy buff, mate? Looking forward to the story!