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Author Topic: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)  (Read 1970 times)

Offline Curtiss Cardinal

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Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« on: October 18, 2007, 11:45:00 AM »
I thought I would share a bit of knowledge about how you lose heat aka get cold.
The five ways the body loses heat are
Conduction
Convection
Radiation
Respiration
Perspiration/Moisture/Evaporation

Conduction is the physical process where heat is lost because you are touching something cold. So don't sit or lay on the bare ground, a large stone or a snow covered log. Put some insulation between you and it. be sure there is good insulation between your sleeping bag and the ground. If you're hunting in Winter bring a     3'X 3' hunk of carpet with pad stapled together to stand on. Put some kind of pad on the tree you're leaning on  in the treestand or on the ground.
Convection is the heat lost from the wind blowing over/around you. So putting it simply, stay out of the wind. Use self made and natural occuring windbreaks. Put your camp in the wind shadow of same as well as your stands. Wear a windproof layer if possible.
Radiation is heat lost just because your standing in the great wide open. Even though you are clothed well with a hat, a scarf, gloves, etc. The heat still radiates off you. It also radiates out of your tent. Having some kind of roof above you will help reduce heat loss from radiation. That is also another reason to put a tarp over your tent not just to keep the snow off your tent but to be a radiation inhibitor/reflector. I've never personally tried it but those treestand umbrella roofs might help in this regard.
These first three are why it is urgent to get yourself a shelter in a survival situation. A proper shelter will get you off direct contact with the ground, block the wind and cover you to hold in radiant heat.
Respiration is your own breath. You take in cold air and exhale warm, moist air. The faster you breath the faster you'll get cold. Control your breathing. Easy does it in activities in cold weather. I've never had one to try but one of those fairly new heat exchanger face covers might be a good investment for the Deep cold Season. Slow, steady work is much better than rushing, grunting and heaving in gulps of cold air. This also brings us to the last...
Perspiration or sweating...to put it simply, sweating can kill you. While exercise can heat up your muscles and warm you all over, you must not sweat. You should be dressed in layers against the cold, so if you're working, strip layers. If you sweat strip and dry yourself with a towel if available. Not just sweat but any mositure is lethal in the deep cold. Rain, slushy snow or falling into water are all potentional killers. You need to get out of wet weather or the water, and get yourself and your clothes dry just as fast as you safely can. You have longer than you think before serious hypothermia starts. As long as you can, and are shivering you're in the self save-able zone. If you stop shivering and get foggy in thought you better have a friend with you or immediate rescue. A word here on wool. Yes it can keep you warm when damp but it sucks up a lot of water if you fall in . The same is true for most synthetic insulation.
Try swimming in any of it. You'll find it is the most exhausting activity you've ever tried.  Extreme care must be taken when walking on ice.
So remember whenever and whereever possible don't sit, stand or lay on bare ground or object. Try to stay out of the wind. Keep under cover. Control your breathing. Stay dry, stay warm, stay alive.
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2007, 11:59:00 AM »
Thanks Curtiss....great info there.

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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2007, 12:04:00 PM »
Some good stuff there. Thanks.

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Offline Curtiss Cardinal

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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2007, 04:31:00 PM »
You're welcome, I could probably teach winter survival courses after having grown up in Michigan and been a Marine and all. Plus I'm one of those guys that always studies outdoor survival stuff. Just glad I have this forum to share it.
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2007, 06:44:00 PM »
Thanks Curtiss....knew some of that stuff but your post sure did jog my memeory! Let me know next time you're up my way and well get some coffee! Mike
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2007, 06:54:00 PM »
Great info thanks!
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2007, 10:49:00 PM »
Hey Mike I may be up in Terra Haute next Monday or Tuesday looking for work. I'll pm you when I know for sure.
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2007, 11:06:00 PM »
TTT4E
cleaned up some typos and such.
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2007, 11:22:00 PM »
Thanks, good info for an ol boy who moved from TX to to the northwoods.
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2007, 05:38:00 AM »
ttt 4 everyone that hasn't seen it yet, because I feel this information is too important to let the post slip into obscurity.
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2007, 09:55:00 PM »
Thanks for the great info. Always "loose and layered" is what they taught me at Bridgeport. Semper Fi!
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2007, 01:19:00 PM »
TTT4 mysticguido
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2007, 01:46:00 PM »
Some good info there.  Fortunately growing up in the great white north I got to learn those lessons as a kid.

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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2007, 02:55:00 PM »
And try not to panic should be added. Late last winter I went through the ice on a beaver pond up to my arm pits with my snowshoes on. It is not possible for anyone to pull themselves out of the water when that happens with the shoes still on, trust me. The hole is filled in with the ice and slush you broke loose. Your snowshoes act against you. Had to reach under the ice and unbuckel the shoes to climb out. I don't remember being cold, just scaried. I hadn't told anyone where I was going that day and that was my first mistake. Second was trusting late season ice over moving water even on a cold day. I was wearing wool (nothing is better)and only had about a mile back to the truck so I didn't bother trying to dry out. By the time I go to the truck I was walking almost like Gumby cause my pants had frozen pretty good. Lesson learned.
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2007, 03:14:00 PM »
I am a warm nut, I do some crazy stuff to keep warm. If I get cold, I just don't enjoy sitting on stand.
WE need to share some keeping warm thoughts.
It was 17 degrees here in the mountains this morning. My big thing I learned is controlling perspiration. I want my back as warm as I can get it for the shot. This is what I did, I wore ulfrotte wool light underwear and mediam underwear together, with KOM hillbilly bibs to my stand. For my feet, I wear bunny boots and I also put lavilin foot cream on during the hunting season to keep them dry. In a frame pack, I put polarfleece vest with pockets sewed in to were I put those hand warmers in. One over each kidney and one in the small of my back. Then I put KOM bowmans jacket and heater body suit. For my face I put a damart hood and a fleece watch cap. I pack that to the top of the mountain and get dressed at my stand. Up the tree, then pull up my body heater suit and bow. I keep my hand with wool gloves in my pockets with hand warmers, I also put a hand warmer in the back my cap in a fold. The blood going up the back of your neck is warmed. I can easilly shoot with this set up. I was warm enough this morning that I fell asleep several times. Oh, forgot to mention that I put my hunter safety system harness under my king of the mountain jacket.
One thing I have learned that different parts of the country require different  set ups. You GA boys hunting in 40 degree weather and the moisture coming in from the gulf can be brutal. I don't know how you stay warm, I hunted there about 10 years ago and it got down to freezing but I could not wick the moisure off.
For a shelter, I have kifaru tipee, with a stove for extreme situations, If you get caught in a storm elk hunting for example. Its one of the best things I have foung for survival things. It can be 15 out and I can raise the temp in the tepee to tee shirt weather(70degrees).

If you guys got anymore good ideas, send them my way. Always looking for suggestions. This year, during extreme wind, I hunted out of a DB blind. This really helps. I heard some guys taking a heater in the blind with them,. I haven't tried that.   Tim in NC
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2007, 07:39:00 PM »
If you are a religious scent-control zealot, please just pass this by because it will make you want to punch me in the brain.

Anyway, I got the idea from reading about Simon Kenton and this has worked pretty well so far.  I like sitting on the ground (on a pad) when I'm on stand.  Lately, I've been taking with me a wool blanket to wrap up in when it starts getting uncomfortably cold.

When it gets a bit colder, I whip out a can of Sterno (probably not as traditional as the white oak bark that SK used, but whatever) and light it inside my little blanket shelter.  My head is outside - don't want those nasty dangerous Sterno fumes in my bod - and I frequently check to make sure the fire is no where near either the blanket of my pants (or anything else down there - yike).  Obviously, this is not the time to doze off, but 5-10 minutes of this is good enough to warm me right back up.

Yes - the Sterno is stinky and anything downwind will stop and say 'hrm'.  Yes - this could cause important things to catch on fire if one is not careful. Yes - this is a toasty warm portable campfire.

Your mileage may vary.  :-D

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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2007, 07:55:00 PM »
I read that Simon Kenton story too...good substitute!
Does anybody use panty hose as a base layer anymore? Or will ya admit to ever using them?  :jumper:
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2007, 01:36:00 AM »
TTT4 those who still haven't sen it and to go along with the most recent post about staying warm.
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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2007, 10:20:00 PM »
A substitute for the Sterno is a coffee can with a roll of toilet tissue. Saturate the roll of tissue with a plastic bottle of rubbing alcohol. Just have a way to snuff the fire out when you are through. No odor with this heat source. You might want to drill holes and put a wire handle on it in case you need to move it while its still hot.

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Re: Cold Weather Primer(related to winter hunting/camping)
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2007, 11:43:00 PM »
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Originally posted by rtherber:
A substitute for the Sterno is a coffee can with a roll of toilet tissue. Saturate the roll of tissue with a plastic bottle of rubbing alcohol. Just have a way to snuff the fire out when you are through. No odor with this heat source. You might want to drill holes and put a wire handle on it in case you need to move it while its still hot.
Hey cool - I'll mess with that.   Thanks for the tip.  :-)

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