Carbons are driving me crazy!

[2Knives]

All I've shot were wood and aluminum until now.
I had some GT 55/75s that shot great out of most my bows.
I started playing with Axis Traditionals and I'm losing my mind trying to bareshaft them.
The Axis are 400s, which according to the local shop should be perfect @29.5" using their spine chart.
Most my bows are 50-55 #s, and I draw 28".
I've even left them full length with 75gr brass inserts and 125gr points and they still fly nock right at 20yds bareshaft.
I then grabbed my GT 55/75 and hit right where I was looking, although it does have 3" four fletch on it.
My aluminums are 2018s w/125gr points and fly great.
Oh well guess I'll keep playing with the Axis, now its personal!

[Possum Head]

I understand your frustration. Is there any particular reason you've set your Gold Tips aside?

[2Knives]

Not really, just wanted to play with the new skinny carbons.

[wingnut]

Remember that with the skinny arrows you need to adjust the rest out a bit or they will be to weak.

The center of the arrow is further in then with the fatter shaft.

Mike

[Orion]

What Mike says.  BTW, because the skinny shafts are skinnier than your GTs, you might also need to lower your nock point a little.

I shot wood for more than 50 years, and still do, but I also began shooting carbons a few years ago.  One thing I learned quickly was to stick to one diameter shaft, regardless of the carbon brand used.  Otherwise, you'll always be tinkering when you switch from one shaft size to another.

[2Knives]

That's my problem/curse....I tinker too much!
Thanks for all the great info!
I'm gonna play with them but spend some serious time with my GTs

[Biathlonman]

Sounds weak to me, trim them a little.

[Hermon]

Assuming that we are talking rh shooter, wouldn't nock right be stiff?

[longbow fanatic 1]

I shoot Gold Tip arrows and they fly great!

[mahantango]

You say they fly nock right. Where do they impact in relation to your point of aim/other arrows?

[Car54]

Do not be fooled like I did and had a false weak.
If you have heavier field points I would try that first before doing any cutting. Good luck.

[2Knives]

I have the 75gr brass inserts with 125gr point.
The shafts kick right and then straighten out.
They impact close to my finished arrows its just the nock point right that gets me....yes I'm a RH shooter.
I'll give another chance tomorrow,  figured I'd quit today before I lose my temper.

[Tedd]

Carbons drive me crazy too. Length is so critical. And false readings often cause you to cut or add weight when you should do the opposite.
Tedd

[A.S.]

Nock right is over-spined for a RH shooter.  

Try shooting a broadhead and see where it hits compared to your fiied points.

[Keith Zimmerman]

Good luck buddy!  The tinkering never ends once u start shooting carbons.  Wait til u finally find the perfect arrow, and they discontinue them like they did with the ACCs.

[dbd870]

I've been there, think I finally have settled into one.

[Overspined]

Smaller diameter Shafts are more Center shot  to the bow so a stiffer shaft can be required sometimes, but obviously if his arrows are kicking to the right they are too stiff which I would expect from that 400 spine shaft.  I usually buy one arrow and throw it on the spine tester before I even go further than that because carbons are so stiff.   I shoot almost exclusively wood now to avoid all those issues

[Bill from NJ]

Originally posted by Keith Zimmerman:
Good luck buddy!  The tinkering never ends once u start shooting carbons.  Wait til u finally find the perfect arrow, and they discontinue them like they did with the ACCs.

Boy oh boy, did you call that one right!

[JamesKerr]

You have said that the bare shafts are hitting fairly close to your finished arrows but still have a bit of nock right. Let me ask are you shooting the bare shafts with the bow held vertically and are you sure that you are not inducing any amount of torque into the string or arrow. All of these minute things can cause a bareshaft to fly a certain way for different shooters but if it is spined correctly in my experience it will still impact the target fairly close to where the fletched arrows do. Like someone else has said throw a broadhead on the finished arrows and shoot them. Preferably the biggest heads you have. If your b/h's shoot fine then really why worry with bareshafts unless you know you have absolutely perfect form and release.

[Steve O]

Take one of the full length ones with the heavy insert and put a 250g point on and see what happens.

I never cut my carbons. When you cut them they seem to get STIFF I've you go below a certain point. By leaving them full length I can tune them pretty much to any bow I have.