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Author Topic: MCAAP hunt conclusion, and what I learned about a positive attitude (pics added)  (Read 1864 times)

Offline Schmidty3

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Well my first trip to MCAAP has come to an end.

With the hot weather and low success rates, I wanted to go there and prove to myself that I'm a better hunter then most of these guys...an ego thing I guess...thankfully I was able to do just that! (Not that I'm super expert hunter! Lol)

I don't intend to talk down on the other hunters that weren't as fortunate as I was, but there was a learning moment here that I felt like sharing. (And my success sure hinged on quite a bit of luck). For reference I was pretty much the only solo person in the deer creek unit. I was more or less forced into another group of three buddies. But they had picked an area I was interested in so it worked out.

I learned quite a bit on this trip. Not so much about my hunting skills, but more about attitude and mental toughness. (I know, I know, this isn't some back country elk hunt, but I feel it applied this weekend in different ways).

The evening before the first hunt there was a sense of optimism in the air. Everyone was excited and hopeful. By the end of the first day many were dejected, especially the first timers. Many hunters hadn't seen a deer, or maybe their party of 4 just saw one or two. Its entirely possible that these people just weren't good at stand placement. Its also true that many of the people I talked to were from areas where they are used to seeing lots of deer several hundred yards away. MCAAP just isn't like that where I was. Its an up close and personal event. Another factor was the fact that every evening on the drive in you would see 10-15 deer along the road and a few would be nice bucks. Add to that the hunter who shot one of the top ten the first day, and the rumors spreading about "insider information" or "he must have hunted here a lot and know the best spot" (which may or may not be true, if it is, who cares, there's thousands of deer here and a good percentage are great bucks). Plus the high temps, just combined for poor attitudes, and doubts about their spots.

The guys in my group were no exception. One guy didn't hunt Saturday evening. He just sat at the truck. The other 2 guys walked by me at 630 pm       :knothead:      
The next morning they pulled their stands and were back at the truck by 8 am. Where they watched the road and saw all of the deer moving...right to me.

I'm starting to form a theory that there's two mindsets when it comes to certain activities. A predatory mindset, and a "prey-like" mindset. Obviously we are the hunters, so logically we would think that we have a predatory mindset. But as soon as you begin to make excuses, or complain about your circumstance, or victimize yourself, or maybe have doubts and be indecisive about stand location or what have you... I think you now have a prey-like mindset. Once you become "prey" I think your odds of success in a predatory activity decrease dramatically. I'm sure many of us are guilty of being "prey" at one time or another. I also find this "prey-like" mindset to be cancerous among hunting parties. Its one reason I like to go solo at times. Anyway I've seen and heard it enough i think ive learned to shut it out of my head. I think for a good predatory mindset you have to be confident in your location, have a good attitude towards your hunt, and if a change needs to be made to your circumstance, it needs to happen decisively and efficiently.


At no point during the hunt did I ever feel like I wasn't going get an opportunity. I did a decent enough job e-scouting prior to the hunt to get me into an OK position for the first few hunts. I saw a little buck the first morning. The second morning I saw a nice buck in the distance. I snort wheeezed and he reacted. But I lost sight of him. About a minute later a buck snuck in behind me, but no shot opportunity. The wind just wasn't working for me in that area so I made a move and had a new stand set by 3 pm Saturday. I found a clearcut with good traffic cutting across. White oaks all around. And water 150 yds to my west.

I think we can all agree that bowhunting has a significant element of luck involved. Some of that luck can be converted into probability from skill and scouting. But with hunting a new area with little scouting time there is a ton of luck still involved. Thankfully there's a little thing called the rut, which greatly magnifies the randomness of the deer movement which sort of compounds the luck element (basically what I'm getting at is you don't need to know the exact paths deer usually take to feed, bed, or drink, you just need to find a decent edge or trail and cross your fingers, If that makes sense).

That leads to this mornings hunt. I arrived at my stand...615...I can't say I'll miss the 430 alarm... I know there's tons of deer at MCAAP. And I know I just need to get lucky once. Hopes were high. Thoughts were positive. I'm mentally ready to get it done. I've been practicing all summer and preparing for this particular hunt with great anticipation...

About shooting light I hear a noise off to my right. I peer through the underbrush...

Squirrel!!!         :knothead:      

As the morning wore on I'm scanning the different zones, mainly watching the clearcut to my left and listening into the woods on my right. Every once in awhile scanning the woods to my right just in case something sneaks in through the leaves with the wind covering its noise.
About 730 I scanned from my right to my left and see movement. A really nice buck had ghosted me! A stereotypical 8-10 point, wide past his ears, with 6-8" tines. A shooter in my eyes. He was moving right through that cut. I had less than 3 seconds to make a shot from the time I saw him. I drew, anchored, and let fly. By my estimates he was at 28 yards. A poke. But one I've been practicing. I watched my arrow fly in slow motion as the buck dropped at much faster rate. I missed high. Honestly I missed high anyway, he just added another foot to my miss. I really need to work on rushed or maybe a better term is quickened or short opportunity shots. My brain just has too much going through it to calmly plan and execute a longer shot it such a short period.

Well I got my shot, I blew it, but to me getting an opportunity equates to a succesful hunt. I was still hopeful though. There's no reason another buck won't do exactly what that buck did. I reloaded and calmed down. I put on my lucky home made goose feather arrow. I needed some good juju.

About 830 I hear a noise off behind me. A deer! Probably 40 yards. She came in just perfect. Slowly meandering towards the clearcut. I was setup off to the side of the clearcut in a nook of grass, if that makes sense. She was headed right for the edge of that nook. Plenty of time to identify her as an adult doe, and to get the shot planned and lined up. As she started to break through the small saplings transitioning from the edge of the timber to the nook, I drew. She cleared. I shot. Perfect. She tore off across the clear cut and into the woods on the other side.

Slightly quartering. 8 yards. From 14 ft or so. Hit her 5 inches behind the shoulder a bit high on the body. Arrow penetrated deep enough that just the nock was showing on the near side.

Gave her 45 minutes to an hour. My hunting crew pretty much saw the whole thing, which was kind of comical (well they saw the deer crossing the road before it got to me).

I dropped my stand about 915. My guys drove in and we loaded up my stand and started the trail. They said they saw a deer run down the road about the time I shot. So we sent one guy down the road as me and the other trailed her. My new friend found my arrow and lots of blood. The broadhead broke off so I looked back to the area where I shot her to see if it was there, as he continued trailing. Laying right on top of the ground was my zephyr Sasquatch, the big ol shiny thing is hard to miss. About that time the guy we sent down the road hollered. Found her! She made it less than 100 yards and was easily visible from the road. But the  blood trail was plenty good either way! Can't complain about a 20 yard drag on a 45000 acre property!

We got her cleaned up and called it a hunt. She was a 2-1/2 year old according to the biologist, weighed 101 lbs!!!
I got packed up and drove to to my parents place in okc and butchered her up. Killed at 815 am, ready for the grinder by 815 pm. Can't beat it. I'm very excited about my doe, a trad deer is always an accomplishment! But I'm even more excited about the prospect of getting to come back next year with some better weather! Shooting a doe there gets you a free pass for next year!    :)  

I believe my doe was deer number 18 out of 238 hunters, and I didn't see any other come in after me. Tough odds no doubt.

Anyway, I know it's a long post, but I appreciate those that read it. I guess some of the takeaways were to just always have that positive attitude, sit in your stand during the rut ("is it that hard guys!?!?" Talking to my group. Lol), trust your hunting instincts on spot selection, and get very very lucky!       :)      

My setup was as follows:
62" Palmer recurve, 58# @ 30.5", I'm drawing to 27-ish
400 spine easton fmj
Zephyr Sasquatch
Self made goose feathers
About 475 grains

I'll try to put up some picks tomorrow!

Offline Brianlocal3

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Great write up!!! Loved the story and the message!
JD Berry Taipan (original) 53@28 62”
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Offline Michael Arnette

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Lol I've heard some stories of some pretty sloppy hunting out there...it's kinda funny sometimes

Offline Schmidty3

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I'm pretty sure a good portion of the people that go have 0% confidence of actually being able to hit one.

I get that its a neat place and they want to see a big deer. But really guys??? There was a kid who really had no idea how to shoot. Two guys were standing there teaching him along. Also the #1 bow out there was a samick sage (don't get me wrong, they fling a good arrow, my brother has one), but no silencers, saw one with a 5" brace. I think its just indicative of how many of the people went out and bought a bow just for this hunt. Again...nothing wrong with that.

But here I am. This is the biggest hunt of the year. Its a cool place I've never been. Lots of deer. Lots of mature bucks. I prepped my butt off getting ready.

Offline TexasTrad

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Good job staying after it in tough conditions.  I have been to MCAAP and it is a cool place.   When I went, they were still allowing compounds which tells you how long ago it was.

Offline ChuckC

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can you refresh us a bit about the place and some of its rules ?  How do you get to go ?  Equipment requirements ?  Skills tests etc ?
Thanks, and congrat's on a well done hunt.
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Offline Schmidty3

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(someone correct me if im wrong)...

ChuckC,

Well its a pretty secure military facility. They were adamant about us following the rules to a T.
Probably not worth getting in front of a military tribunal!!! (or blowing up)

First off the hunt is in McAlester Oklahoma. Which is in the southeastern part of the state. The facility is 45,000 acres divided into 4 parts. 3 parts are huntable with the center being a safe zone. There's also several restricted areas scattered about. Its odd hunting in and around bomb bunkers for sure. Especially when they start blowing old ordinance about 11 am every day.

The mcalester hunt has 6 weekends. Starting in October and ending the weekend before rifle season I THINK (two weekends before thanksgiving). Each weekend has 300 permits, so 1200 hunters are in that area in just over a month. Seems like a lot of pressure but the area is so big and there are so many deer I don't think pressure is a huge issue. The buck to doe ratio is good and calling tactics seem to work better here then most areas.

The way Oklahoma's draw system works is you pay your $5 and pick 5 deer hunts that you would like to do, ranked in order of preference. They throw everyone in a "bucket" and start picking the winners for the deer hunts. (you can apply in groups of 4 I believe). If your name gets drawn they give you your first choice, if that's full they give you your second...then third... fourth...fifth....etc. I'm not sure what happens if all of your hunts are already full.

If you don't get drawn I believe you get a preference point for deer hunting. There also is turkey, pronghorn, and elk draw hunts that are separate categories. The elk hunt is rifle, but a slam dunk. About 95% success on a really nice bull. Hard to get. The terrain is neat in the Wichita mountains. But its really a pretty easy hunt. There's so many elk in there.  

The one caveat is that in order to put in you have to have a hunting license. So a non-resident would have to buy a non-res $75 3 day license in order to apply (or a annual or whatever license....I may be wrong on my numbers, but that's how it is). I've got a lifetime Oklahoma license so no big deal for me.

Some of the rules:

no firestarters or spark making devices in the hunt area (including thermacells unfortunately) That thing is a tinderbox! So much undergrowth and cedars (it really needs a controlled burn). But I wouldn't want a fire going through my bomb bunkers either! You could have pretty much whatever in the campground. No firearms or ammo on base though.

No rangefinder or gps's, anything that could interfere with the facility's signals or trigger a bomb I guess.

They actually allowed binos this year which I wasn't aware of...wouldn't have helped in the thick stuff I was hunting anyway.

No cameras, but phones are allowed. Apparently they will go through your phone to check for pics. And they explain that they have the right to search anything they want while you are on the facility.

Equipment requirements are the same as the state's. 40# draw for trad bows.

You must wear a safety harness if you hunt off of the ground. They had loaner harness's if needed. Apparently someone fell and broke his back/neck/ribs last year, when the cables on his stand snapped. But he made a full recovery (according to them). He was conscious and got a call out. They had him on a medevac 18 minutes from the time he called. So they are really equipped to take care of someone in an emergency. They know that whole place well too.

No skills test as much as it seems necessary. My opinion is that they want it open to as many people as possible. Just so they get an experience. They do want a lot of deer killed. But they probably don't want so many killed that they have to reduce the numbers of permits ( I believe that's why they switched to trad bow only). I think that's a PR move. They want as many people to experience how well the government manages and provides for the wildlife. Which they do a good job on the heard there. If they required a test of sorts I imagine the harvest numbers would be higher, and they would have to reduce the number of permits given each year. Because most of the people out there have no chance!!!! lol

You show up for the hunt Wednesday night if you want to camp there. Briefing Thursday morning. Scouting and stand placement Thursday night. Hunt Friday, Saturday, and Sunday until noon.

As far as weekends to pick if you are thinking about trying and wanted to do a straight MCAAP draw ticket.

1: 1st weekend in November
2: 2nd weekend in November
3: Halloween weekend
4: 3rd weekend in November.
5: whatever else

What I did this year was....

1: Wichita mts whitetail rifle (sorry, not trad, but arguably the most desired hunt in the state)
2: Salt plains archery (there are some monsters there, my lil bro kil't a 150"-ish buck during a youth rifle hunt. Plus they are practically Kansas deer. Good food sources and big bodies. My bro's weighed 190 lbs-ish. The 9-1/2 year old buck killed at MCAAP weighed 140 lbs.)
3: MCAAP 1st weekend November
4: MCAAP 2nd weekend November
5: MCAAP halloween weekend

In general the Pre-rut starts about Halloween weekend in this part of the state. ive seen bucks chasing and cruising many times. Even with the hot weather (high's in the 80's), the bucks were starting to look for other deer. The buck I missed was panting, and my group that was watching from the truck said he was bird dogging the road trying to cut a hot doe's track. Usually the rut is in full swing the first few weeks of November. Not sure what the heat is going to do this year.

I hope that answers some questions. And hopefully my info is right! haha.

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Sorry for the bad pics. I never remember to take a hero shot. The heat had me scrambling to get her done.

The head was placed well and definitely did its job.

I love the steel on the zephyr heads. So easy to sharpen and they get sharper then any other trad head I've played with.

This is the second issue I've had with them though. I couldn't believe the aluminum insert was hollow all of the way the the base of the broadhead. That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. The first deer I shot with them was a nice buck several years ago. On that buck the glue gave up and the insert separated from the head. The head was just hanging out in the chest cavity. No bueno.

I haven't seen any solder issues that I've heard mentioned. I've got some long aluminum adapters I may switch to for these heads, along with some big Jim hot melt. That should help with the issues I've had with the from factory heads.

I think the broadhead snapped off as the doe ran by something. But it was laying on the ground plain as day about 15 ft from where i shot her. The arrow was another 10 ft past that spot. The head was still sharp enough to bite a finger nail though.

Does anyone know of a head with similar stainless steel?

Even with the kme the grizzlies and zwickey deltas I have take forever to get that hair popping sharpness to them, even if its just a touch up. The zephyrs take me minutes. Maybe it's just a softer steel or something.

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You could just put in steel, stainless steel or titanium adapters in those Zephyr's and problem solved with break offs.

Offline Tsalt

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Congrats Daniel!  Way to get it done on a tough hunt!
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Offline Schmidty3

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I really wanted to use steel adapters when I bought these fmjs. But the arrow tuned out with a point at 150 grains. So that's what I used! I actually had planned on mainly using zwickey deltas. But I got frustrated with the factory grind (even with a kme and coarse sand paper). And I lost an arrow with a delta last weekend when a doe I shoulder hit ran off. The zephyrs were easier to mess with! Haha.

I'll probably get the rest of my deltas ready this week. The Sasquatch's are awesome for does. But may be a bit lacking for a big buck in the penetration department. Can't argue with the sharpness though.

The zephyrs are flying good to 35 yards though. They just have a bit of in flight noise. The deltas are a good compromise. However arrow #1 is a grizzly.

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:knothead:     :knothead:    :knothead:

Offline TexasTrad

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Who is going to MCAAP this weekend -- I bet this will be a good weekend with the cooler weather

Offline kiamichi kid

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Congrats on the successful hunt and a free pass next year! Your stories about fellow hunters rekindles all kinds of frustrations from my time there. The experience is well worth putting up with it, though. And I suppose we should get used to it. MCAAP's improved social media status will certainly mean an increase in applicants next year that are lured at the prospect of arrowing a top ten. You picked a good year to score a quality pass!
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Offline Woodside

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Hey guys - my first post on this site. I have drawn in for the last weekend which is the weekend after this one. I hunted it two years ago, and never saw a deer, although one of my buddies did get a shot.  I hunted it as a kid as well. I am hunting the Hominy area. They had a good hunt last weekend. One stud killed a turkey.

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Great story! Way to get 'er done!
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Offline Michael Arnette

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Nice shot Daniel!

Offline Schmidty3

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Thanks guys!!!

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