Toelke whip or Black widow PL

[Shadowhnter]

Awesome. Man the Whip HS really sounds like the best combination of everything a guy could want. Do they come standard with the thumb rest?

[shedhunta]

The whip made me stop buying bows.  I just can not find a damn thing wrong with this bow.  The thumbrest is standard and I highly recommend the two piece option.  Adds a perfect amount of weight and is convenient when you need to take it down.

[slowbowjoe]

My understanding is that the length of the bow (Toelke) determines whether it is a standard or HS. The "shorter" lengths have the HS designation, the longer limbs already have the optimal design.

Can't say how 11-12gpp is for speed, but my wife's (classic grip - our preference) seems plenty quick with 10/10.5gpp.I'll add that the thumb rest grip is standard; as is the classic grip - your choice. Dan will personalize/customize your grip if you want, just chat with him.

[neargeezer]

Both company's are the best of the best. I've had several PL's and have two Whips. The Whips are the easiest bow's to shoot I have ever shot.

[tzolk]

All of the Whips are HS now as standard.  Technically except for the 66". The 66" is already where they want it profile wise so there was no need to remod the design. The High Speed design adds some more reflex to the limb from about 2/3 up to the tip than the original design had which keeps the tips opening father out in the draw process reducing the potential for stack.
It adds smoothness and I imagine some speed but really it doesn't matter if it adds speed or not because they are so darn quiet. For a 30" draw, a 64" Whip works perfectly.

[tzolk]

The finish on the Toelkes is 10 coats of thunderbird epoxy I believe. It's incredible. Dan once told me that he wouldn't feel right if you couldn't leave it in a full bathtub for a week and pull it out ready to shoot. I believe Jared puts the woods together and glues it up, Dan shapes and tillers it and Jared finish sands it and sprays it. At least that's what I took out of our many conversations.  A real solid family all around. You couldn't ask for better people.

[michaelschwister]

The whips will be faster and quieter than the BW and IMHO better in every respect except resale.  Resale is higher on a BW.