I have hit squirrels with the old style bludgeons and they hit the ground dead, I have hit rabbits with loaded HTMs and have had them run off and I have had them die on the spot. I have hit them with broadheads and had them get away as well. It all depends where I hit them. The steel Hammer is better for me, at least, so far, ones not hit just right have not gotten away from me. I always used three blade heads when we had many whitetailed jack rabbits around here, an HTM was not a suitable head for them at all. I have seen both pheasants and rabbits get away when hit with judo points, I have never killed anything with a judo myself, too expensive.