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Author Topic: Help this old codger understand.  (Read 911 times)

Offline Straitshot

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Help this old codger understand.
« on: January 30, 2017, 08:09:00 PM »
Ok, I am old and things come slower now than they use to. I am having trouble understanding a situation happening between different bows I shoot. I am an instinctive shooter and I point and shoot all my bows basically the same. They all range between 47#-50#.

I recently purchased a new-to-me one piece recurve that is 60”AMO, 47#@28” and it is the fastest bow I now own. I can visually tell it shoots harder and faster than recurves I have that are 3# heavier in draw weight.

What is happening is the very same arrows I shoot from all my recurves I am consistently shooting 8 to 12 inches higher with this 47# recurve and it is the lightest poundage recurve I own.
I use the same grip method shooting all my recurves. In fact the grip on this bow is very similar to the grips on all my other bows.
 
My arrows are 500’s cut 29 ¼” with 250 grain field points and three 5” LW helical shield cut feathers.
 
Anybody have any idea as to what is going on here?
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2017, 08:13:00 PM »
Might check the tiller on it compared to the others.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2017, 08:21:00 PM »
It just happens sometimes you get a bow that just smokes an arrow. It doesn't matter if it's a production model or custom.

You got a flat shooting bow now enjoy and have fun with it.

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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2017, 08:21:00 PM »
I am not sure where you check the tiller on a one piece so I tried to check it at the same location on the upper and lower limbs. There seems to be about 1/8" difference in the distance to the string. The upper limb is about 8 3/4" and the lower limb appears to be 8 5/8" or 1/8" closer.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2017, 08:23:00 PM »
You could also check the speed of the arrow, as compared to the other bows you own. It may have a better performance.
Have you tried shooting bare shafts? Is the nocking point correct?
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2017, 08:29:00 PM »
Whittler, This thing does smoke an arrow. It is just really hard for me to make myself look lower. The way I point and shoot is so fixed in my mind it takes concerted effort to change. All my other bows shoot so similar it takes very little if any adjustment at all when switching from one to the other.

This one is pushing me out of my comfort zone.    :knothead:
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2017, 08:32:00 PM »
No tuning issues. The arrows go to the target like a dart and stick straight as an arrow in. Pun intended. No nock left, right, up, or down.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2017, 08:35:00 PM »
Sounds like a whippenstik to me! I had a recurve that shot high for me. If u dedicate all your time to that bow your brain will make the adjustments.  Or you can add weight tubes if you're shooting carbons.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2017, 08:44:00 PM »
Tiller sounds right. If the grip is close to others, not sure what to tell you .

Prob should send to me for further investigation. Two to three years should be enough to find it.....  :goldtooth:
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2017, 08:49:00 PM »
Is the shelf cut the same distance above your hand? A small difference can make you shoot higher/lower.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2017, 08:57:00 PM »
I lengthened my clicker 1 chain notch and I swear it's hitting 2" higher at 10 yards just from additional speed.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2017, 09:02:00 PM »
dnovo, Possibly slightly higher if at all. I shoot with a high wrest method with the throat of the grip touching only the web of my hand between my thumb and forefinger. When I draw and the bow throat is forced into the web of my hand all shoot off the shelf bows are just barely over my hand.

I suppose this could be part of the problem that I have not realized.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2017, 09:15:00 PM »
Just raise the nock point until it's hitting where you want.  It might make bare shafts fly nock high, but that's easily corrected by the fletches.  As other people have said, different bows shoot differently.  At our age, better to correct the bow than try to remember to do something differently.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2017, 09:18:00 PM »
what McDave said !!!

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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2017, 09:53:00 PM »
mec lineman, No fair peekin'.

McDave. It is dark outside now but I will try that tomorrow and see if it won't help some. You are correct about the too old to try and remember.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2017, 09:59:00 PM »
Get heavier arrows...

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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2017, 10:18:00 PM »
Tiller is good, as others have pointed out.  Shelf seems to be similar to your other bows so that's not the problem.  It's simply a faster bow.  Will need to learn how to compensate for it.  

I don't buy the too old to remember stuff.  I'm 70 and don't have trouble remembering I have to shoot one bow a little differently than another.  

I agree with McDave.  Raising the nock point will lower the point of impact.  However, there is a point of diminishing returns with that.  Raise it too much, and your arrow will start purposing.

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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2017, 10:42:00 PM »
Orion, I appreciate the information. I realize there is a point of diminishing return when raising the nock point. Though this issue has been somewhat frustrating I have been shooting for many years. It may have been an issue some time or another in the past but I just don't remember it being that big of a deal.

The issue is somewhat compounded for me because I have a very annoying equilibrium problem due to inner ear damage and it is just another thing I have to learn to deal with when trying to shoot.

I will prevail because I love the way this bow shoots and I enjoy shooting it.

Bithalonman, I think it does shoot the heavier arrows better and it brings my over shooting 2/3's down. With a little nock adjustment hopefully I will be able to get it on for my style of shooting.
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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2017, 10:45:00 PM »
Takes a thousand shots to get used to a major bow change. Get back to us when you have done that. Having over 40 bows like I do shortens the adapting curve a lot.

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Re: Help this old codger understand.
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2017, 10:48:00 PM »
it must be the nock point and or the grip.  I can't imagine the bow is that much faster that it would make 8"-10" difference in impact.

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