instinctive tuning

[nhbuck1]

Those of you guys that shoot instinctive can you please explain your tuning process and some tips if you have any. thanks alot thought it would help me and be intresting to hear from others.

The method a person uses to tune has no relationship to the method he uses to aim! Paper tuning is paper tuning, and bare shafting is bare shafting, no matter if you shoot instinctive, split vision, gap, or whatever.

I paper tune because I am comfortable with that method, and can get satisfactory results doing it that way.

Bisch

[nhbuck1]

how far away do you set your paper bisch?

[nhbuck1]

also how can paper tuning still be accurate when the arrows is in paradox?

I start at 6', and adjust till I get a bullet hole. I always make nock point adjustments first till I get nock height set right (there will be no up or down tear in the paper when nock height is perfect), then work on spine using shaft length and front end weight. I then reconfirm at about 15'. I then shoot field points and broadheads and make sure they go to the same place.

I can't answer the second question??? I just know it works for me.

Bisch

[nhbuck1]

thanks for sharing bisch

[DJ Hardy]

Say Bisch I assume you are shooting fletched arrows.

Now I may get shamed off of TG but I have a question about paper tuning.

I understand that by paper tuning you can get the fletched shaft flying straight and the closer the paper is to the bow the better.
My question is even though your arrow is flying straight does that mean It is spined corrrctly to hit the target in the intended spot or do you have to then adjust your hold.
If you have to adjust your hold on target does that not take away from your natural instinct.

Believe me I'm not arguing the fact but trying to understand the process.

[DJ Hardy]

Well Bisch I think you answered my question assuming you are using fletched shafts and have a aiming point.

[YosemiteSam]

Agree with Bisch.  A straight arrow is a straight arrow.  Tuning is one thing.  Shooting for accuracy is another.  

You could instinctively shoot a poorly-tuned arrow just fine.  It won't fly straight and it will do some funny things with a broadhead.  But you could probably hit a target just fine because your brain would adapt to whatever kentucky windage is needed.

[DJ Hardy]

Well Sam accuracy is what tuning is all about. Sure you can adjust your sight picture with any arrow but your accuracy may suffer.

I bare shaft out to 25 and 30 yards looking for a straight flying shaft hitting my natural instinctive hold.
I have no problems getting a field point and broad head hitting in the same spot.

If you have a properly tuned bow/arrow  you should not have to adjust your natural instinctive hold on target.

Just my thoughts

[crazynate]

What Bisch said. It doesn't matter what aiming system you use.   Bare shafting is bare shafting

[nhbuck1]

so look for straight flight with a bareshaft?what if its slightly nock right or nock left

[DJ Hardy]

I agree with you guys with one clevet

If you are new to instinctive shooting and your form is not good you have to decide on if it is the bow/arrow tune or you that is causing any tuning problems.

A bad release can play hell on a bare shaft. Which leads me to believe that paper shaft tuning with fletched shafts and a aiming point might be the best route for some.

As Bisch said he then starts adjusting spine.

Really i think I'm  beating the same dead horse but using a different stick.

[katman]

Originally posted by nhbuck1:
so look for straight flight with a bareshaft?what if its slightly nock right or nock left

Baeshaft goal is to get fletched and bare shaft hitting same place out to your effective range. And you can only tune as good as your form is. You can fine tune to get rid of slight nock angle but it takes very good repeatable form to shoot bare shafts well consistently, that's why we use feathers.

Originally posted by DJ Hardy:
I agree with you guys with one clevet

If you are new to instinctive shooting and your form is not good you have to decide on if it is the bow/arrow tune or you that is causing any tuning problems.

A bad release can play hell on a bare shaft. Which leads me to believe that paper shaft tuning with fletched shafts and a aiming point might be the best route for some.

As Bisch said he then starts adjusting spine.

Really i think I'm  beating the same dead horse but using a different stick.

A bad release will make paper tuning a nightmare too. Some level of good form is a prerequisite to any form of tuning, or you will just beat yourself up trying to get consistent results.

Bisch

[nhbuck1]

so dont worry about arrow going nock left or right for bareshaft? just make them hit together?

[DJ Hardy]

Do not shoot a BH bare shaft.

Field points and BD fletched shafts should have the same poi.

I have never had to adjust bow or arrow for the two to hit the same point of aim if I had a proper bare shaft out to my effective range.
Having said that their are some BH's that will not group with a field point. Those heads will not group with themselves either.

[LBR]

You don't do it consciously...you just let the subconscious take over and after you shoot enough it just happens....

Sorry...couldn't help myself.  Besides, it's April 1 in a few hours...

[nhbuck1]

the youtube channel the longbow theory says he only bareshaft tunes at 5 yards that way he can see if the arrow is going straight right out of the bow. is this correct?

[forestdweller]

My tip would be not to worry too much about getting perfect bareshaft arrow flight.

I bareshaft tune only within 15 paces. My reasoning for this is that if I can get straight arrow flight within 15 paces then even if when bareshafting my bareshaft veers off to the left or right at anything greater than 15 paces showing stiff or weak it does not make a difference since the fletching will correct the arrow within the first 15 paces of it's arrow flight and my 4" feathers will have corrected the arrow by then.

With 4" or greater feathers I can shoot severely over spined or underspined arrows and they will all group the same because the fletching put's the arrow on the correct path very quickly.