Dogs at the TN. Classic

[Bryan Bondurant]

Originally posted by Red Arrow:
Ok. Thanks. I got it wrong in my previous post though. Lilly, the dog, is a service dog, not a therapy dog. But she will be fine staying in camp.

Ron, as you say the dog is a service dog, What is it trained to do as its service?

What is the difference between a "Therapy Dog" and a "Service Dog" ?

[pappy]

Thanks for the info Bryan. Appreciate you concern. If it is a service dog from all I have read it will have a card or a vest that will confirm that. It that case we will work it out with the owner, but just to say that without proof won't fly. Heck my dogs are therapy for me.  :)I am sure you are right about Indian camps and when times got tough the killed them and ate them, this is not an Indian encampment.    
 Pappy

[The Whittler]

If it's my property it's my rules. Stick to your guns Pappy and good luck with your shoot and the dog problems.

[LBR]

It seems the easy answer if you do not have a dog is to ban all dogs.

Mark (Pappy) actually has dogs that are extremely good natured and people friendly...and he puts them in a pen for the Classic.  He's not asking anyone to do something he's not doing himself, and he owns the place.

[Bryan Bondurant]

Originally posted by pappy:
Thanks for the info Bryan. Appreciate you concern. If it is a service dog from all I have read it will have a card or a vest that will confirm that. It that case we will work it out with the owner, but just to say that without proof won't fly. Heck my dogs are therapy for me.  :)I am sure you are right about Indian camps and when times got tough the killed them and ate them, this is not an Indian encampment.        
 Pappy

Pappy, I trained a service dog recently, so spent a lot of time taking it to grocery stores and restaurants, other public places. Most of the dogs you see out in public are fake service dogs, that is, they are not trained to do a specific task according to the American Disability Act ADA and that is the federal controlling organization concerning service dogs.. The Feds do not have any registry for service dogs but there are many fake credentials available for 29.95 around the internet and it seems to be big money. However, no service dog is required to have any credential, badge, vest, or anything.

Basically, the entire "Service Dog" thing is a legal landmine for business and property owners. places like grocery stores are very scared to open any legal case so they simply ask if a dog is a service dog, even when they are told lies and they know it, they simply ignore it as long as the dog owner claims it is a legal service dog.

Here is a link to the actual ADA page on the subject.


 https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html


One spring before breakup, A trapper came walking out of the Yukon Charley into Circle City.  A couple Indians noticed he was now wearing his sled dogs, a bad winter. The story goes he felt so bad about eating good sled dogs he made a Parky and gear out of them so he could keep them close, after all, they were good dogs, saved his life,  and deserved proper doings,

[pappy]

Thanks Bryan for the info. Hope I don't run into any problems but if I do I will handle it cautiously.
 Pappy

[Pat B]

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[mec lineman]

If any trad gang member goes to classic with their dogs and claim they didn't know. They should be first in line for a seeing eye dog! By the way I am in total agreement with you. We need to get back to a time where people come before animals.

[pappy]

Thanks Craig, I got a good laugh out of that and I really needed one this morning. See yall in a week.
 Pappy

[mark Willoughby]

[Pat B]

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[Red Arrow]

Sorry Pappy, I didn't mean to start any issues here. My daughter is epileptic with seizures caused by tubersclerosis. Her dog is trained to react if she senses a seizure coming as an early warning. Lilly can stay in camp while we are looking around and participating in activities though.

[Red Arrow]

Btw: Bryan is totally correct about the scammers out there buying the "service" dog kits online so they can take their pets into stores, restaurants, etc. Such vests are not required but are financially lucrative on the internet.

The difference between a service dog and a therapy dog is that a service dog provides a necessary service (seeing eye dog, pulling a wheelchair, early detection of medical issues, etc.) While a therapy dog provides emotional support for people in hospitals, elderly care facilities, etc.

[mark Willoughby]

Y'all must have had some bad bad dogs to say no dogs period . Ron sry to hear your little girls service dog has to stay in camp

[Pat B]

Mark, with as many people as show up(500-600 shooters and families) at the Classic, with all the kids running around and with all the venders and campers there it only takes one bad situation to mess up a good thing. Pappy and the members at Twin Oaks are all dog lovers but in this situation they thought it best to say no dogs. This will be the 20th year for the Tennessee Classic so they have plenty of experience and din't come by this new rule lightly.

[LBR]

Spot on Pat.

Pappy didn't say "no dogs, period".  He also didn't say a service dog had to stay in camp.  It's on page 1.

Not cool to attribute things to someone that they never said.

The TN Classic is probably the smoothest running tournament I've ever been too, especially considering the size of it.  Dogs aren't the problem there.  People who have no respect or consideration for other people or other people's property are the problem. Only takes a few, i.e. one person letting their big 'ol dog take a big 'ol dump in a vendor tent and then walking off like nothing happened.  Thank people like that for the new rule having to be instated.

[Eric Krewson]

I was in that tent when the big lab did his deed and the owner walked off like nothing happened.

I think it was the Pine Hollow Longbow tent but can't be sure as it was a few years ago, it was a stinking mess.

[LBR]

That's a different instance than the one I was thinking of, but further proof that action had to be taken.

Thankfully the Classic is held on private property where rules can be set as needed.  I was at a shoot earlier this year at a park where a guy let his big dog take a big dump right on a main path between the vendors and sign-up.  Walked on like nothing happened.

[Pat B]

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[mec lineman]

Not trying to stir the pot,but I just don't see the obsession people have with carrying their pets EVERYWHERE they go. I love dogs, have owned 17 at one time ( hounds) ,I don't like dogs at the beach and most of all I don't like dog shyte on me shoes! This rant totally excludes people with service dogs.