Hot melt insert and adapter question.

[Tedd]

I see the question about what glue for inserts and adapters asked all the time on here. The most common answer is hot melt stick. (the good one). I haven't noticed anyone saying hot melt gets gummy or spins on hot days? I'm in PA and that happens. I would think other places it would be common for the glue to loosen. Example - swapping target points for previously trued broadheads to go after a groundhog on a hot day.  Does anyone else notice this?
Tedd

[Orion]

Can't say as it's ever happened to me.  My heads (broad heads and field points) stay put after being hot melted to the adaptors. No problem, substituting one for the other.

Don't even know the type of glue stick I'm using.  It's kind of a corrugated stick sort of the color of light honey.  Used to use the Bohning amber stick.  Worked well except for extremely cold weather when it sometimes got brittle, and I lost a few field points in bales.

Still would have no compunction about using it, but I believe it melts at a slightly hotter temperature. I like the cooler melting stuff for carbons. Of course, doesn't make any difference for gluing adaptors, but I use the same glue for inserts as well.

[M60gunner]

I have used a few different sticks over the years but have not experienced your issue. I use Big Jim's hot melt now on my woods and it gets very hot here. It was 100 degrees when I left range at 1000. Only issue I ever have is with old (5 years) arrows is the stick glue looses it "bond".
As for inserts I use epoxy, slow cure, not reversible on my carbons.

[Rick Richard]

Big Jim hot melt works great for me.

[fnshtr]

I've used hot melt and experienced a few inserts coming out after hitting something fairly solid, the hard dry ground or new block target. Then I started using gorilla super glue "high impact".

Now my problem is recovering the insert to reuse it when I break an arrow. No amount of heating loosens it up. Have to grind the arrow material off of the insert.

   

[Tedd]

fnshet did you try the sling a weight inside the shaft trick? It works.
Put a drill bill or something of similar size and weight in the shaft and raise the point upward then sling downward in a safe direction. It will break the bond of the strongest glue. I had an arrow the other day that took about 15 tries but it got out the insert. That was the black glue. Insert weld or something.

[fnshtr]

Originally posted by Tedd:
fnshet did you try the sling a weight inside the shaft trick? It works.
Put a drill bill or something of similar size and weight in the shaft and raise the point upward then sling downward in a safe direction. It will break the bond of the strongest glue. I had an arrow the other day that took about 15 tries but it got out the insert. That was the black glue. Insert weld or something.

Thanks, I'll try that next time.

[Woodpuppy]

Originally posted by M60gunner:
I have used a few different sticks over the years but have not experienced your issue. I use Big Jim's hot melt now on my woods and it gets very hot here. It was 100 degrees when I left range at 1000. Only issue I ever have is with old (5 years) arrows is the stick glue looses it "bond".
As for inserts I use epoxy, slow cure, not reversible on my carbons.

When the glue loses bond, can you remelt, cool and gain the bond again? I've had no issues with 10 year + aluminum arrows having ferrule-tight fail, but I've only been shooting carbons with Big Jim's hot melt since March.

[Rough Run]

I recently tried gluing adapters into some broadheads that I wanted to try, using the good hot melt.  I cleaned the broadheads with denatured alcohol and a .22 bore brush, dried them out with q-tips that came out clean.  One of the adapters pulled right out after only a few pulls, and the weather was not that hot.  Has me gun shy now.  Never had a single problem with inserts in my shafts, but I think I will re-do the broadheads with epoxy.

[Tedd]

That is what happened to me. The head is in the target somewhere.

[Possum Head]

Only gets around 92ish here in coastal Ms. not quiet hot enough to loosen my inserts.

I live in Texas where we get a couple month of 100* in the summer. I use Big Jum's Quick Stick hot melt for all my inserts. I have never had the glue get gummy or a point spin in hot weather.

But I don't use glue on broadheads, so YMMV  with those???

Bisch