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Offline Steve H.

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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2006, 11:02:00 AM »
Same here.  I am away from a bow right now for a day or two, ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2006, 08:00:00 PM »
Topics been moved.  Last call for emails and offer to help.
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2006, 10:17:00 PM »
Jay, I have had it for a long time.  I draw and release as soon as something touches my cheek.  Might be my fingers, might be my wrist.  On the days that I can get it together, I shoot pretty darn well (and fast !).  On those other days, seems like I anchor with my wrist and draw about 25 ".  Doesn't do much for accuracy.  Funny thing....I don't have any problem at all shooting left handed, only righty.  No, I tried switching, I cannot shoot quite as well lefty as righty, but I can sure anchor !
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2006, 11:05:00 PM »
Jay, I read your book (first edition), and the button ideal has made a HUGE difference in my shooting! I have been bowfishing a lot the last month or so and "seeing" that button in the water where I want to shoot (usually under the fish) has paid very large dividends in the number of hits I have been getting!!

Thanks for writing the book, I need to get one of the newer editions now!!
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2006, 03:52:00 PM »
Well, I've recieved close to 50 emails.  I know not everyone gets to shoot their bows regularly, however, we should be getting some results in soon and maybe they will post on here.  One I've heard from is back in control and a few more are well on their way.  We'll see what the results are.
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2006, 11:17:00 PM »
Jay really helped me out.

I am a pretty good shot, but I have been having a terrible time feeling in control of my release. I used to dread practice because of this. Jay sent me some very simple exercises to overcome this problem, and within seconds I could hold on target with NO problem. What a relief to feel in total control of my shot, and not just release becuase I was on target.  Thanks Jay!

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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2006, 10:46:00 AM »
Hey Gang,  I'm one of Jay's 50 responders.  The brain realignment drills Jay emailed me were nothing short of miraculous.  I shot better than I have in years.  I was dumbfounded at how quickly these worked.  I still need some work to completely subdue the TP beast.  But there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel.  Thank you Mr. Kidwell.

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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2006, 02:56:00 PM »
I also responded to Jay and he promptly responded with some recommended drills.  What a great thing for him to do.  I have been working on them at night at short range in the basement.
 
I am getting a solid anchor all the time after less than a weeks work. I am hoping to get to my bow during daylight soon so I can try working outside to see how shooting at distance will effect things.

Thanks Jay and I hope we can return the favor in the future.
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2006, 02:46:00 PM »
One more thing; I am shooting so much more accurately  :eek:    . Mr. Tom, you have been warned.

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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2006, 11:52:00 PM »
I've been working through the exercises for about a week.
Shot my first 3D in awhile today and shot par (for me).
BUT, I had switched back to my longbow, so I must say that I have seen some real improvement.

As I described it to Mr. Kidwell, I've found a new comfort zone in my shooting and am finding more control. I have a ways to go yet, but feel I have been givin some realistic tools to work with.     :thumbsup:  

I'll try back in ahwile and see if my scores improve.  For now, all I can say is; it's getting fun again !

Thanks Jay
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2006, 11:10:00 AM »
I love to shoot at targets in my back yard, and shoot almost daily (sometimes 2 or 3 times). For the last couple of yrs, I have really struggled with TP. A couple of weeks ago I sent Jay an email stating my problem. He promptly responded with some much needed advice.  Since I was so impressed with his free info, I had to order his book, which came in about 2 days. Since reading the book (some parts 3 or 4 times), I feel a lot more in control. I now try to incorporate Jay's suggetions every time I shoot. I am not going to tell you I am cured of TP, but I really believe I am on the road to recovery. Dang! It feels good to say that. I will be on vacation this summer, so I plan on really putting Jay's strategies to the test. Hopefully, I will have more to say towards the end of summer. Thanks Jay!! Peace!!

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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2006, 09:06:00 PM »
I also emailed Jay and got his free advice. Thanks Jay. You are one generous individual. I am not used to holding my bow at full draw for that long, so I promply pulled a muscle. Had to wait a week or so before repeating the drills. Used a 29# bow the second time. Shot my 50# bow this eve and threw in some of the exercises and shot well. I think with more time this will work. Don
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2006, 09:23:00 AM »
Jay,
Your advice has me shooting better than I have in years. I didn't know how bad I was struggling.
I hit more bullseyes in the last 3 weeks than I did in the last 3 years. I'm in control!

I ordered the book, but it was back ordered. Darn.
I must have had "it" real bad cause I have to do my drills pretty regular or I'll slip back to my old ways.
Thanks again.

Tedd

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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2006, 01:00:00 PM »
For all you skeptics out there (like me!), Jay's techniques really work, and in a short amount of time!

I just converted from compound to traditional late last fall.  I started with a 50# Martin Vision (bought off Tradgang) and found I didn't have control of the bow.  I had no trouble pulling the bow back, I just couldn't hold it at my anchor and aim properly.  I felt "over-bowed" and I'm a good size fella so imagine my surprise when I had trouble with a 50# bow.  After shooting a couple months and not getting anywhere with my 50# bow, I decided to buy a 40# Martin Vision (bought off Tradgang) to work on form thinking this was my problem.  A couple months went by and I did better with the lighter poundage bow but my groups were wide and I still didn't shoot well at all.  I needed lots of improvement and I was trying to do it my own way.

I saw Jay's post here on Tradgang so I ordered his book then emailed him about my problem.  He replied that my problem was "premature hold" and said he could cure it and gave me exercises to work on.  In about 3 days of doing the exercises with my 40# bow, I was already shooting much better.  It was amazing how quickly the exercises helped me.  Just to test that the exercises were really helping me and that this wasn't just a fluke, I decided to try out my 50# bow and I was still a little skeptical.  Afer all, I spent a few months trying to do it my way and was not getting better.  With the 50# bow I did the exercises as the book describes and then started shooting.  WOW!  The exercises worked!  I was amazed and excited that I could finally shoot my 50# bow and hit what I was aiming at.  

I went back to the 40# bow to work on form and repeat the exercises.  My groups shrank tremendously.  I stuck with the 40# bow for a long time because the lighter bows are easier to do the exercises with in the beginning.  So, about a month later I grabbed the 50# bow wanting to see if I could still shoot it after having set it aside for a while.  As you can probably guess, the answer is YES!  Ok, so now I'm convinced that the exercises work and I mostly shoot the 50# now.  I will occasionally break out the 40# to work on form and of course work on the exercises.  As Jay states, these exercises should be part of your regular shooting routine.  (Read the book!)  I find myself falling back into the old routine of the "premature hold" on occasion and all I have to do is go back to the training to fix it.  It works!

Another ineresting aspect to the exercises was that they helped me find my anchor.  I also went from shooting with a glove to using a tab.  I prefered a tab but before reading Jay's book couldn't shoot well with it all (I couldn't shoot well period).  When I started the exercises I used a tab only and now I use a tab full time.  I'm not bad mouthing gloves, I just prefer a tab and Jay's shooting techniques made it so I could use a tab.  His book helped me tremendously as you can tell.  This is the only book I've read to improve my shooting and I highly recommend it to anyone else who's new to traditional archery or anyone who wants to improve their accuracy.  The success rate speaks for itself.  The problem really is all in your head and Jay can fix it.  Thanks Jay!

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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2006, 01:35:00 PM »
After speaking to Jay via e-mail I got the book a couple of days ago from 3 Rivers, so far I've only had time to pick a few choice sections out of it. I've not been shooting for about six weeks because of major surgery on my jaw and have been giving it time to heal(I still have to be very careful).
 
Anyway I found you book very interesting some points I had figured out already for myself beforehand and many points he suggested I hadn't thought of.
 
Picked up the Bow today and shot at my friends place, said he hasn't seen me shoot so well for at least 12 months and with my Longbow I was dropping arrows into a A4 size face at 50 yards, it's been a while since I've done that kind of shooting with any consistency and it's given me a real confidence boost.
 
I'm now feeling very relaxed and controlled about my shooting and I'm looking forward to reading the book thoroughly and implementing Jays ideas fully into my training programe.
 
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2006, 05:42:00 PM »
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2006, 10:14:00 PM »
Techniques are working well. I'm improving, so I can't complain. *But* I must say that tournament/3D form is a whole different ballgame than solo work for me. What I have gained are some very usefull tools to be able to self-correct myself while on the range.

Still working through it, although is has been and will probably continue to be a long road.....for me.
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2006, 10:59:00 PM »
My only criticism to Jay was the book title.

I thought it somewhat miss-leading in that it seemed geared towards instinctive hunter types and after reading it thought the book went beyond instinctive archery\\bowhunting. Being a tourney archer I think I might have never purchased the book if it wasn't for the posting on this forum.

It was a lucky find for me.
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2006, 04:26:00 PM »
Jay, Just wanted to send you a quick update on my TP progress.  I've gone to the range at least once a week since receiving your email describing your technique.  I've done the drills and have seen significant improvement in my coming to full draw. Only after an extended period of shooting do I tire and start to short draw the bow . I definitely believe I've got this TP just about licked and I owe it all to you. Thanks again for your help and insight. I hope you dont mind but I shared your email with  a couple of friends. Thanks again.....Fred
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Re: Target Panic! 100% Cure Rate - Let's Put it to the Test
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2006, 06:04:00 AM »
I could use some help not much TP when shooting alone but when shooting with buddys or a 3d range I tend to lock up about 1 inch from full draw and when do get it back I let it fly cant seem to hold any help or pointers
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