A4C's Form vids: NEW ADDITION with Dalaa bow pg. 3

[Arrow4Christ]

WOOHOO! SUCCESS! I watched your videos Guru and tried your shooting style. Boy am I glad I did. After 100 shots with a light bow with my eyes closed and practicing this form, I have conquered the problem! Notice in this one that movement is after the release and simply a push towards the target. I'm shooting GREAT too! THANKS EVERYONE!
 

[AkDan]

lots better, still look slike some collapse/creep and you're still shooting with a really closed stance...open it up a bit more.

Keep pulling through the shot at full draw and you'll stop that flinch if you will.  Still looks like you're trying to release instead of letting it happen!!!

keep pulling through the shot (can do this with a dead release) and releax your hand!!!

[Arrow4Christ]

You're right about the closed stance...if you look closely, the bow is being pushed forward TOWARDS the target, and it's after the release, when the tension is let go (I was jerking before I let go before). I don't think I'm telling myself to release anymore...does it really look like I'm creeping forward?

[AkDan]

I dont think it's creeping as much as you are collapsing at your shot.   Ie not continuing to pull  through the shot at the release.  That doesnt mean your hand goes back, it does mean your hand doesnt go forward as it still looks like in the video!  Keep pulling (drive your elbow back is all you have to think) and just relaxed your string hand.  

I have to say its tons better though!!!

The reason I say collapse is when you let go, your hand is still moving forward and if an uhoh reaction you pull it back.

Try zooming in so we can see from the top of your head to your waste and still get everything at full draw....that last video was kind of grainy.

Dunno how to explain it any better...someone will jump all over it and either fix ya right up or tell me what I'm saying is hogwash LOL, either way it's a learning experience for all.

[AkDan]

The tip to shut yoru eyes for awhile works wonders!!! give it a week or two and you'll see.....

[UKarcher]

Yes, much better than your earlier videos. But you seem to be twisting your torso towards the target. Try to keep your upper body at ninety degrees to the target and look down over your bow shoulder. What you are in effect doing at the moment is making yourself shortdraw and not allowing your bow shoulder to get back far enough to produce back tension. When you have shot your 100 arrows, what aches? your arm or your back? I suspect it is your arm, which means you're not using your back muscles enough. Keep pushing back with your shoulder. You're getting there, and with a bit more work you'll be form perfect.
Graham

[Arrow4Christ]

Thanks guys...all I've gotten is encouragement on this site, and i appreciate it! I will try all suggested...I'll do another video soon...I don't know if you guys noticed, but it looks like the movement may actually be being caused by me putting a little too much heel into the bow...could that be the issue with the bow arm? I need to work on back tension and a dead release a little more...thanks for the encouragement everyone!

[AkDan]

Cant help you on the heel down being in excess.

But I just want to clarify you dont have to use a dead release!!! It's probably the harder of the two releases to really get good at, VS pulling through.   I'm sure you've seen byron shoot, tha twould be pulling through the shot.   where your string fingers end up on your shoulder after you let go.   Either way works good.  I'm torn to do the harder of the two personally, guess it's my nature to fail LOL!

[BobCo 1965]

It's hard to get a pure dead release. Some can do it though. Personally, I find that both of my arms tend to do the same thing upon release. It's hard for me to break that. Don't really want my bow arm moving much. What I try to do in practice is limit the motion in my release arm or should I say my release elbow. This helps keep a stiffer bow arm. I find though even when I try to limit the motion in the release arm, my finger tips still touch my shoulder. The follow through in the release arm and elbow is just not exaggerated.

Hopefully I explained this correct. It's one of those "I know what I'm saying but do you" sort of thing.

[snag]

You have got to develop more back tension. Think of squeezing your shoulder blade together. Do this a bunch of times without the bow. Now pick up the bow and do it AT and THROUGH your release.

[Faith In Flight]

Still looks like your "Letting go" of the string. Your goal is to pull through the release. In other words, when you anchor act like your trying to draw past your anchor, but let the string slip through your fingers as you do. If you do it right, instead of your hand remaining at the side of your face, it should carry on behind you when you release.

[Arrow4Christ]

Faith in Flight, look at my new "Need help with my form part 2" thread...it has a new video in it.

[jonsimoneau]

Hi Craig, looks like you are getting a lot of really good instruction here.  The main thing that everyone keeps coming back to is you are collapsing at the shot.  This is a very difficult thing to explain, but there may be a way for you to fix it.  When you can get this fixed, your release will fix itself.  Do this.  Pick a spot on the target and pull your bow up with your bow arm as if you were getting ready to draw on it.  Don't draw your bow, just pick up your arm.  Now, look where your bow arm shoulder is at.  Chances are it is pointing to the left of where you are looking at on the target.  Now move your shoulder into position until it is lined up with your bow and that spot on the target.  This is where your shoulder needs to be when you are at full draw.  Trust me, I've had this problem too.  This is why you are shooting left all the time.  You are not fully extended, and your alignment is off.  When you release, your bow arm jerks to the left.  If you can get this allignment problem corrected, your release will fix itself, and you will have less muscle strain.  The shot will feel much better and you will enjoy shooting your bow more.

[Arrow4Christ]

[jonsimoneau]

Craig, that last video sure looks alot better.  You're getting somewhere.  Make sure you really pull through on your release so that your release hand ends up behind you, instead of to the side of you.  I can really see some improvement though.  Good job.

[Terry Green]

It still looks as though your are releasing DOWN instead of BACK.

[JC]

Definately better, how is your consistency...are you happier with where the arrows are ending up?

Two things still, head brought to anchor still instead of anchor brought to head. And as Jon and Terry mentioned, it looks like you are not following through with back tension...the down motion of the hand instead of back is indicative of this.

[Arrow4Christ]

Here are the new videos. My accuracy is Ok, but I know the source of all my accuracy problems at this point. My sight window is too small be shot with an elevated rest, which I prefer over the shelf ten times over. My target, therefore, is blocked by the obstruction of my riser. So I'm trying out a DAS Dalaa and I'm confident that my groups will tighten up by a large margin when I'm able to see what I'm aiming at! Hopefully that'll tide me over 'til my Silvertip comes   . I can see the shape of my 3D target, but it is very blurry and I cannot pick out the spot on the target that I am trying to hit. I can still put most of my arrows in a vital spot though, so I'm confident.
This first one was a bit hurried because my battery on the camera was running low, however, the form is at its best.
 
this second one was actually shot before the first. I spent quite a bit of time positioning myself. I've been reading a few threads where it has been mentioned that the shoulders must be parallel to the draw elbow and bow hand, so I was trying to get used to that. The pause in the draw is strange, I never really do that, I think I was just reminding myself to slow down once I hit anchor.
 

[Al Dean]

Looks to me like you are arching your back during the draw.  To me that is not correct but I may be dead wrong.

[Dustin Waters]

Here is what I see.. and I know you have a thousand people saying "Here is what I see, then telling you what you are doing wrong".  I think you need to pick a shooting style and go with it.  Youve got it in your head that your form sucks and now look.  You have changed everything at least 4 different times.  Mirror what Guru does.  It will feel wierd but once the awkward feeling wears off youll be much happier with your shooting.  Pick an anchor spot, keep it.  Pick alignment with your feet and shoulders, keep them.  Stop focusing on what all needs to be fixed and what all needs to be changed.  Focus on the things you can keep from your form and work from there.  The best way to pinpoint exactly what is wrong is to isolate a single problem and make adjustment.  If you change everything at once you have zero idea what you were doing wrong in the first place.  Thats my .02 cents.   Pick a style of shooting stop worrying about what needs fixing and what needs changing and get down to it and work on your release, work on getting comfortable with what seems uncomfortable.  Then when you get your release back, work on your bow and draw arms.  Do small things a little at a time.  Youve got it in your head, dont do that.. Its the hardest thing to fix.