Long bows & arrows

[Oblio]

I know this has been asked a million times but,  I just got my first longbow. I have a bunch of recurves & I can use different arrows in these without to much variation. HOWEVER, I've found that the LB does not like carbon arrows, at least not this one. Does anyone use carbon with a LB? And, here we go. What arrows would anyone suggest for an inexpensive, Internature,  ( Samick?) 68", 45lb.@ 28"? I draw 28". I've been thinking about 1916 or 2016 alumniums. Whatcha tink?

[Big Sneaky]

I shoot Axis 400's with 200 grains on the point end out of a 58# Morrison Dakota.  For carbons you will probably have to shoot a 500 with added weight on the point and maybe leave your arrow length a little long.

[Oblio]

That's a lot of weight up front. How do you get that? I can't find a field tip that weighs more than 125 gr. to fit a carbon arrow.

[JRY309]

I suggest try some .500 spine arrows,example GT 35/55,Beman ICS 500 or CX 150.Leave them full length and cut alittle at a time to get them tuned.For the standard size carbon,you can get 5/16" points upto 175 grs. and easy pull points 200 & 250 gr. at Kustom King or 3 Rivers.500 spine carbons are usually about 30 to 31" to start with.And you can get 50 or 100 gr. brass inserts for them also.

[JImmyDee]

You'll find all sorts of threads that touch on this topic.

I've spent the past six months trying to figure out how to get carbons flying well out of my longbows and have posted to a number of threads here.

So far, AFAICT, two things seem to be true: (1) Some longbows* simply don't like light arrows.  For those, when using carbon shafts, piling the weight on the pile seems to work best.  (2) "Proper length" for carbons seems to be longer than for wood.

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* I have one longbow that seems to be doing well with arrows down in the 8gr/lb range, but I'm not sure I've got those shafts figured out, yet.  The others don't seem to be happy with less than 10gr/lb; one of them is doing very well.

[BillyMarkwell]

I shoot a Savannah longbow....and I shoot carbon's..... gold tip 55/75's......

[justin snyder]

Most recurves shoot center shot.  Most longbows shoot around the handle. Longbows may even be near center shot, but not usually center shot.  This makes spine more critical in longbows.  All the extra weight up front is decreasing the spine of the arrow. Longer arrows will also decrease the spine.  I would wager that you need more weight up front and longer shafts to get the spine correct. Try some of the ideas above and get the spine correct and it will shoot great. Justin

[Oblio]

I can see I have my work cut out for me. Most of my arrows are full length, GT 3555, 5575, easton axis 500, xx 75,78 & so on. What I'm finding is, that I get better results with more weight up front, like you said. I'll order some heavier tips & see how that works out. Thanks for all the help. John

[slayer1]

Oblio, Gold tip makes weights that you can screw into the back of the insert. You have to buy the allen wrench that is about 36". I shoot a long bow 56 lbs at 28". I cut my arrows as short as I could get away with. My arrow weighs 505 grains. I have 70 grains screwed into the back of the insert and a 160 tip. It took me a long time to figure the carbons out. I shoot the GT 35/55. If you spin test the gold tips - they seem to be on the stiffer side. Hope this helps you.

[longbowguy]

Your 45 pounder should like 1916s. Leave them overlong to start tuning and obtain several different field point weights. But I'm thinking 90 grains will tune well and give good arrow speed. Bonus: they are cheaper, straighter and more accurate than carbons. An Easton arrow  engineer said so in an interview last year.

[John57]

I shoot a Samick SLB69,,,45lb @28.
Goldtip 3555's cut 28 1/2 with 125g points fly ok from it.
1916's fly very well and would be my main choise but for the fact I shoot mostly cedars.
Cheers.

[John57]

PS,put a ff string on that internature and it will become a new bow.

[Oblio]

That was going to be my next question. The string thing. Don't know if the bow is FF capable, & the bow makers web site says 8" BH. I'd have to twist the string about 50 times to get that much. How many twists is to many?