Terry's FORM CLOCK : question?

[shirikahn]

I just learned more reading this than all my teen years bugging the local shop owner lol

[arrowlauncherdj]

To me it looks like opening your stance too much could be a big problem (my problem) keeping alignment... I never did that shootn wheels. Should I try closing some to see if it helps keep me from collapsing as I tend to shoot left like 6-8" at random times?

[Terry Green]

Stance really has no bearing on alignment....its all from the waist up.  If you are properly aligned, your form doesn't care what position your legs are in...heck, it don't even care what position your upper body is either.

[arrowlauncherdj]

I figured out part of my problem.  I always anchored with my thumb up by my temple, but when I get tired, I tend to press with my thumb hard thinking I am keeping my anchor solid, when infact, I am pushing my hand away from my face.

I had to go to the bale and relearn how to anchor with my thumb down at jaw line, which felt about as unnatural as wearing my pants backwards.  But since doing that, my anchor seems to be more solid without string hand torque and I can hold more steady with a cleaner release.  

dave

[BigBucksnTrucks]

Hello All, this is some great info here, I have a question though,  I saw some one referring to 2 anchor points.  I shoot 3 under and anchor my pointer finger to the corner of my mouth.  What is the 2nd anchor that is referred to?

[Terry Green]

You have to find that second anchor point that fits you.....do a search for double anchor and you will find a lot of info.

[Terry Green]

Now Back to your regularly scheduled programing.....   :          

[Gowski]

New here on the forums, and this thread is probably the greatest resource I have found to help improve my form. Even bought the DVD, just to be safe. Thanks!

[bowhunterportugal]

Terry, how do I know I'm using back tension? I feel my back muscles but I also feel my upper arm muscles after a training session on the bale!

Also, are you shipping DVD's? What is the time expected to receive it, say, to Savannah Georgia?

[Terry Green]

Get the DVD order in and I'll get it out same day if I can...Savannah is Next Day since I'm from GA.


In your last video, your alignment looks pretty good...you still may be using arm muscles 'early' in the draw and the back is taking over soon after....no matter long at the back takes over.

Based on those clips and your elbow movement and lack of bow hand movement....I'd say back tension is clearly underway.

[bowhunterportugal]

Thanks.

What about the use of a form master? I just made one this morning but haven't tried it yet.

[bowhunterportugal]

Terry, give me your opinion please...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGw9wEx_mXQ&feature=youtu.be

It seems that I lay my head after anchor! It doesn't seem right!

[Landlocked Pirate]

From way back pn page 4:

 

The best way to get properly aligned is to do it on the bale....and find the place to anchor with your elbow pointing at 6 o'clock....and if you can find a second(double) anchor that's even better.
 

I understand the concept, but with my particular build and my long arms, if I bring my elbow back to the full 6:00 position, then my hand is completely behind my head. Any suggestions on how to compensate? I plan on ordering the DVD by the way.

[ShinBone]

I will try to buy the tradgang dvd.  I have the M*sters of Barebow series 1-4.  It has helped a lot.  Now, will try to buy the tradgang dvd.

I feel I am at a point where I have enough bows.  I have like 5 or six of bows already.  I don't need to constantly check the classified to buy more bows (albeit, I am missing longbows in my collection, as I have zero longbows.)  Now, it is time to spend money on DVDs to funnel money into proper learning and shooting form.

cheers.

I will look for the tradgang dvd and buy them.  If there is a whole series, I will buy the entire series.

cheers.

[ShinBone]

How many volumes of tragan Hunter dvd's are there?  I just bought the first volume for 8 dollars (a bargain).  The vouliume is from 2007.

is there a vol 2 ,3 ,4 like masters of barebow?

thx!

shinbone!

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by Landlocked Pirate:
From way back pn page 4:

 

The best way to get properly aligned is to do it on the bale....and find the place to anchor with your elbow pointing at 6 o'clock....and if you can find a second(double) anchor that's even better.
 

I understand the concept, but with my particular build and my long arms, if I bring my elbow back to the full 6:00 position, then my hand is completely behind my head. Any suggestions on how to compensate? I plan on ordering the DVD by the way. [/b]

Sorry for not seeing this earlier....would be a big help if you could video.

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by ShinBone:
How many volumes of tragan Hunter dvd's are there?  I just bought the first volume for 8 dollars (a bargain).  The vouliume is from 2007.

is there a vol 2 ,3 ,4 like masters of barebow?

thx!

shinbone!

Just the one....wish I had more time...I have footage for another...just not enough time.

[jerseyboy]

I always thought my draw length with trad gear was 27" but if i make the proper T form its actually 29" the same as with my compound

[jerseyboy]

It only took 40 years of shooting to realize this...oh boy

[S.C. Hunter]

Originally posted by jerseyboy:
It only took 40 years of shooting to realize this...oh boy

Yep same boat here. When I was still shooting a wheelie my draw was about 30.5" but that was with a release. I was shooting my longbow with a 28"-28.5" draw up until about a month ago. I now have a 29.5" draw, which I apparently had the entire time but was not taking advantage of that extra draw length. I was told initially that it is normal to be that much shorter with a trad bow.

I was shooting well and never thought about changing anything. I was bent a little more at the waist than I needed to be and my head was forward more than needed, but I was hitting my anchor and thought all was well.

I have been spending a lot of time just drawing my bow holding, and putting the focus on my back tension. I am now able to come to draw and hold a little longer if I need to and feel no need to release the arrow on contact with my anchor. I now draw settle in focus on a spot and release. My daughter has been using a timer when I do this and the hold is between 1.45-1.79 sec I have her start the timer when I reach anchor. I also have done this holding for 5 sec and then release, this is for backyard practice no target just a focus on my form. For me this feels like forever because before she could not start and stop the timer fast enough to time me. I literally would draw hit anchor and the arrow was gone. I have practiced a lot holding for up to 20 sec for 3-5 reps and then 6 reps. But then I do another 5-10 reps holding for up to 15 sec. I will never be a really slow shooter it goes against my natural rhythm. The difference now is I actually take that extra second or two at full draw to settle into the shot. Feels so much better. Thanks Moebow