arrow help

[stickandastring]

Since im still new to this... the bow I bought is a 60#, and although I feel ok with it to 20 yards or so, ive ordered 50# limbs from the bowyer because ive noticed im struggling with the weight a little as a result I think my form suffers so im dropping down for a while to get stronger and improve my form.

My dilema is I want to shoot the same arrow with both sets of limbs, so if im ever in need of changing to spare limbs on a hunt or different season, I can shoot the same arrow. Ive found on eastons website that at 100 and 125 grain tips in both #'s on a longbow that the size 500 AC Slim is a match. Do any of you guys shoot AC's? Assuming that charts are generalizations, would you have any suggestions? My current arrow at 60# is a 2018 29" with 75 grain tips (i thought 75 was light but it was suggested by the builder)

Thanks in advance for your help guys,
Chris.

[ZIP-R]

I would stay away from the Easton charts. I made almost 100 bucks worth of scrap arras with that chart.

B

[Fletcher]

I can understand wanting to have one arrow for both limbs, but in reality, you are not likely to get it to work very well.  Having the bow and arrow match each other is critical for good shooting and hunting performance and there is a lot of difference between 50 and 60 lb.  I suggest getting/making similar arrows that are of the same grains per pound for each set of limbs.  What you will have are two setups that shoot very much the same.

Good shooting and let us know what you come up with.

[carphunter100]

Good luck but you will be lucky if you come up with something. You might get a carbon arrow to work, but that is a big maybe.

[aromakr]

Chris:
Its possible to use the same arrow with both limbs, if your riser is cut past center 3/16" and maybe even if its cut too center, but if its less than center I don't believe it will work. I'm primarily a wood arrow smith but will try to help if you wish. PM me.
Bob

[McDave]

There is one possible way of doing this, which is to tune an arrow for the 60# limbs, staying a little light on the point weights, maybe no more than 125 grains.  Then see if you can tune the same arrow for the 50# limbs by increasing the point weight.  Then you could use the same arrow for both limbs by changing points.

But other than a theoretical answer, I don't see much point to this (pun intended).  I'm sure you'll be much happier if you just tune different arrows optimally for each set of limbs.  Limbs seem pretty far down the list of things you might ever need to replace on a hunt.

[Bird Dog]

aromakr is right. Bows cut well past center will usually handle a wide variety of spines. The 500 Beman MFX shafts with at least 150 grain heads might work with both sets of limbs if your bow is cut past center.

[Orion]

I agee with aromakr.  If the bow is anywhere near centershot, you should be able to get the same set of arrows to fly well out of each.  I shoot woodies and generally overspine by 10-15 pounds on most of my non-centershot longbows.  I can shoot the same arrows out of my current stable of bows ranging from 52# to 60#, and I should note, they all fly extremely well.

[stickandastring]

thanks for all the help guys, sorry been busy in the woods this vaca tryin to get some meat in the freezer. As my riser is with the bowyer, having the lighter weight limbs matched up, i have to use my rifle. Gasp!  Especially when the doe I let pass at 20 yards today would have been such a great first. I need my bow back. Ill let you know how the arrow dilema works out. Given that A/C/E are in the 300 dollar range for a dozen, ive reconsidered...

[robtattoo]

If you're looking for a skinny carbon, forget the ACE/ACC route. Waaaay too light. You might want to try Easton Axis FMJ or Beman MFX, both in a 400 spine. With 125 up front & 100gn inserts you shouldn't be too far off at 60#, if you leave them full length. They should also work at 50# with 200 or 250gn up front.

[AllenR]

The above advice is sound.  So I'll take a little different approach.

Why are you bothering with the 60# limbs?  Unless you are going for bear, 50#'s is more than adequate for anything in PA.  

There is absolutely nothing wrong with 60#'s if  that's what you want to shoot.  But you don't need to shoot that much.  

The only reason that I ask is because you mention that you are new to this.  The biggest mistake that most beginning archers make is to start with a bow that is too heavy.  In fact, most beginners would find 50#'s too heavy, but it depends on the individual archer.

Good luck,
Allen

[stickandastring]

robtattoo,

i checked easton...400 easton axis is 9.9 gpi but so is the A/C/C 3-71....Is there a difference? And why full length? The bowyer has been telling me to cut them to my length of approx 29  and why all the weight up front? When i got the bow new at 60# i was shooting 2018 at 28 3/4 with 75 grain tips. Perfect for deer. Even when shooting compound, i just went with what was recommended and since i dont build my own arrows, I kind of go with what the guys say work. Gets expensive to experiment with different arrows

[stickandastring]

also....im told that while tilling to try to get 50#, it could go 3 lbs either way, and given that, the new limbs are what I will be shooting, prob for a long time to come I would not be upset with high 40's as long at it will kill effectively. Carbon's (the MFX) make me nervous,  that checking the arrow and possible splintering inside an animal, the warnings alone on Bemans site make one wonder. I know they're better than they were even 10 years ago, safety wise. Are they really that effective?

[stickandastring]

Solution.

Im pretty much gonnna stick with the new limbs. May even have a few lbs milled off the 60# limbs. At my draw, turns out I was pulling almost 62#, Way too much. Settled on a Beman MFX in a 500. 28 1/2 inches with 90 grains up front. They fly like darts.

thanks for all the help guys,
Chris

[stickandastring]

Side note here guys. Mike and Jason Fedora really know their archery. Had about an hour talk the other day with Jason. Pretty much asked everything about arrows and found out I dont need all that weight up front. Who knew?

[carphunter100]

I shoot the gold tip hunters 35-55 cut at 29.5 out of my Morrison RC with one set of limbs at 52lbs. and the other set of limbs at 58lbs. but that is just 6 lbs differance and the arrows fly great with a 100 gr insert and 125 head and total weight of the arrow and heads is 486grs. of weight. They will not fly very good out of my 60lbs long bow.I think the guys are right about the weight up front you might be able to do this but 10 is a big differance and a RC cut past center compared to a longbow cut to center is a big differance. To save yourself alot of money get with some people that have differant arrows and weights or you might go to an archery shope and play with some arrows and find something that will work but I still think with 10 lbs.differance in weight it will be hard to do. Good luck some of these guys on here I should say most of the guys really no what they are talking about. good luck and happy holidays to all.