Most of the local shoots around here also score center 12's. With that in mind, on a 30-target course, it will usually take a 270+ to win. But then again, that all depends on the course. I remember a 30-target MAC qualifier 3D in Janesville, WI back in 2003 where the furthest target was an elk around 20 yards. The top two recurve scores were 312 and 304.