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Offline KellyBender

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Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« on: November 16, 2008, 05:00:00 PM »
I posted a question about a year ago about Rick's instructional school.  I was scheduled to go earlier this month but due to the costs of flights, I postponed it.  I will probably be going after the holidays...maybe early Feb.  I am curious if anyone new has attended lately and would be willing to share their experience.  Thanks for any insight you can give.

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 03:42:00 PM »
I converted to traditional archery about 18 mo ago after shooting compounds for several years.  I watched several videos on shooting technique, including the Masters of the Barebow series, which I thought were great.  However, I still struggled with which method to adopt and was terribly frustrated.  Somewhere along the way I ran across Rick Welch's video (most people recommended Vol 2).  I must have watched it 15 times, and his message just made great practical sense to me.  But, executing on it was a different matter.  I finally decided the only way to figure this out was to down to Arkansas and take his shooting school.  I attended it in September, and I can say this was absolutely the best investment I have ever made in archery.  In four hours he had me shooting better than I ever have!  And in two days I developed the confidence to diagnose and correct flaws in technique when I make a bad shot.  I am a bowhunter, and I don't aspire to be a competitive archer.  For what I want to do, I can't imagine a better "method" than his.  And the interesting thing is that it isn't really a method at all--it's just a simple, commonsense approach to learning to shoot where you look.  If you do take the school, you will hear the words "admire your sight picture" over and over again!

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2008, 04:05:00 PM »
flycastr - Can you provide a link or additional info on the instruction program or cost... contact info .. etc.  Very interested... Thanks in advance
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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 05:52:00 PM »
Thanks for the info Flycaster...I really appreciate it.  I might send you a pm with some specific questions if you don't mind.

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Greg

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Pretty sure the price was like $400 for 2 days of one-on-one lesson.

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2008, 08:02:00 PM »
KellyBender is correct.  It is still $400, and it really is one-on-one!  I noticed Rick's website is down--don't know why, but I had an email conversation with him [email protected].

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2009, 11:18:00 PM »
Met Rick the other day. He has an, easy,direct, focused way about him.  Iam an old Dog, but if I was just getting into traditional archery, he's the guy I'd want to learn from. He makes a SWEET, SWEET, SMOOTH, drawing bow. For my money, its sweeter than a Black Widow.

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2009, 11:24:00 PM »
I'm going to his school toward the end of this month, weather permitting.  I'll let you know how it goes.
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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 11:49:00 AM »
I haven't been schooled by Rick since August when he kicked my butt at a shoot.

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 07:43:00 PM »
Today was my first day of Rick Welch's school. The day starts with Rick coming by the motel at 8:30 AM in his truck to pick you up, and getting to know him on the drive to the class. The class is held at the farm of one of his friends, Mr. White. Mr. White is about 70, has about a hundred bows on the wall of his workshop, and about 40 or so animal targets here and there on his farm. The farm is where Rick videoed his shooting DVD's, if you want to see what it looks like. Mr. White is a real Southern gentleman, and enjoys meeting the various people from around the country that Rick brings to his farm to shoot. Rick is easy to get to know and not intimidating, which is important, because he asks you to change just about everything you ever thought you knew about archery, and that could be pretty intimidating to think about. I can't imagine how you could change anything more than he changes and still call it instinctive shooting. He teaches purely instinctive shooting, according to my definition, which means that you do not look at the arrow tip or anything else in your peripheral vision. You focus solely on the target.
 
These are the things he changed about my shooting: my grip, the strike plate and shelf pad on my bow, the way the fletches are alligned on my arrows, the way I address the target, the way I hold the string with my fingers, the way I draw the bow, my anchor points, the way I hold at full draw, and the way I release the arrow.

As I would with anyone I am paying to teach me something, it is not my job to question what they are doing, at least while I am in class. It is my job to learn what they are teaching as totally and completely as I can. Later, after I get home, I may change some things back, or I may not.

I have been shooting instinctively for many years, and generally could get 5 out of 6 arrows into the kill zone at the distances I normally shoot. My concern was the 1 out of 6 that went right/left/high/low, and I didn't really know why, or what to do about it. All I can say is that after a day of instruction, I either don't have the 1 out of 6 that miss, or when I occasionally do, I know why they miss (mostly). And of the ones that do hit, more of them hit in the 10 zone than before. From that standpoint, the class has been well worth it already.

I will post again after the second day, and let you know how that goes. There were videos of the first day, and if I can figure out how to do it, I will post some for you to see.

I have also attended the BW instinctive school with Fred Asbell, and have been equally enthused about that. After things settle down a little in my mind, I will post my comparison of the two. The only thing I will say at this point is the the BW school is a class with a dozen or more participants; Rick's school is 1 on 1 (or at the most 1 on 2 or 3, if you want to bring someone else). There are advantages to both approaches, but I thought you would like to know that.
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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 08:10:00 PM »
Thanks for the report. Looking forward to day 2's report. DB
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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2009, 10:25:00 PM »
I had the opportunity this summer to meet Mr White. What an incredible gentleman he is and what a marvelous collection of bows he has.

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 09:41:00 AM »
Cool!  That's only 3 hours from my house.  Lookng forward to a review of day 2.

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009, 12:09:00 PM »
I'll second all of the good things posted here.  I honestly believe that Ricks methods will work for more people than it will not work for.  You WILL be shooting better when you leave.  Not only that but it's a great time.  Rick is a lot of fun to hang around with.

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2009, 02:00:00 PM »
I finished my second day.  The second day starts out the same as the first day, a round of 20 animal targets on Mr. White's farm.  The difference being that on the first round of the first day, you use whatever shooting style you're used to, whereas on the second day you use the style he teaches.

Since he changed so much in my style, I wondered as I was waiting for him to pick me up this morning if I would be able to put it all together, or if we would need to start the lessons all over again.  But after three practice arrows, I felt fine and we headed out.  I was shooting better this morning than I was last night, which gave me a lot of confidence.  I think the reason I was able to pick up easily where we left off is that all the steps he teaches are sequential; you don't have to do any two new things at the same time.  For example, if you forget and hit your old anchor, it doesn't feel right and you can't easily go to the next step.  You know something is wrong, so you let the bow down and start your draw again.

After our round, we went up into the tree stand and practiced shooting down at targets.  Then we practiced shooting from different other postions, knees, etc.

To this point, I was shooting with a lightweight target bow I have, which is really necessary because of the number of shots you take.  But we next strung up my Black Widow hunting bow and took some shots with it, to make sure everything would work with the heavier bow.  His method tends to extend your draw length an inch or so, so I was drawing my hunting bow a few pounds more than I usually do.  Also, his method is to draw and hold, whereas before I had released as soon as I hit my anchor.  Because of these two things, it is possible that your hunting bow might be a little too heavy if you were near your limit with it.  But fortunately, I guess I wasn't, because I was able to pull and hold the BW comfortably enough.

I appreciate everything I learned in the course, and feel that it added significantly to my archery skills.
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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2009, 09:34:00 PM »
Just wondering if you shoot 3 under or split?  Does Rick's method work better one way or the other?  Just curious.  Sounds like he is a great teacher.  Thanks for sharing with us.
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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2009, 10:35:00 PM »
I have always shot split finger, but Rick's method is to shoot 3 under, so that is what I shot during the class.  I don't believe that is as critical to his method as some other things, but that is what he recommends.  From the comments he made to me, I would imagine he would teach you his method if you still wanted to shoot split fingers.  But his method is not a casual method; he has a systematic approach, and I think you would get better results by going along with everything he says.
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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2009, 12:03:00 AM »
Do you think you will stay with 3 under or go back to split?  I too have always been a split finger shooter.  How do you think this method will work in hunting situations?
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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2009, 10:07:00 AM »
Since I'm shooting so well now with 3 under, I see no reason to go back to split fingers.  I had shot split fingers for more than 20 years, and never saw any reason to change.  It'll probably be the same now with 3 under.

I can see some wobbles in my arrows that weren't there before, so I will have some re-tuning to do when I get home.  All my bows were tillered for split fingers.  But Rick is a bowyer, and says they should work fine for 3 under.

Rick is as much of a hunter as he is a competitor, and uses his method for both.  Part of the class is practice from stands and shooting while on your knees, etc., for hunting.

His method does take about 2 seconds longer to get off a shot than my old method.  The 2 seconds is used to improve accuracy, so it is probably worth it.  I don't know how well his method would work on flying targets like ducks, though.

Rick's method is to stand perpendicular to the target, which automatically gets you in allignment.  But I don't see why you couldn't use Terry's method of rotating your upper body into allignment in a hunting situation, while still using Rick's method of shooting.
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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2009, 08:05:00 AM »
didn't realize this thread got some recent action.  Thanks for the info mcdave.  I am set to go the first week in March and will also let everyone know how it went.  Sounds like it was worthwhile for you.

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Re: Anyone Been to Rick Welch's School Lately?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 09:43:00 AM »
Kelly,
I just got back from Rick's school Wednesday night, McDave pretty well said it all. Rick is absolutely the nicest person I met in the traditional archery world.He is a great teacher and the best shot I have ever seen. With Rick's method, he improved my 3D score by 32 points, he also makes some beautiful bows that are fast with no noticeable hand shock.One of the fun parts was shooting bottle caps off the top of an arrow at 15 yards. You will enjoy your time.
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