Critique my form...(NEW VID PG. 3)

[LONGBOWKID]

Let me know what needs improvement. My anchor point could be more consistant, but I'd like to see what yall think...

  http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=50543523

[Terry Green]

Hard to tell from that distance....you need to get closer to the camera....but it looks like you are short drawing to me.

[LONGBOWKID]

I have another thats a bit closer, its uploading now.

I have had a problem with short drawing before, I probably am now. Any tips for correcting it, I cannot anchor on a tooth, without the string slapping my face. Corner of the mouth moves around a bit, but thats what I try to use.

[LONGBOWKID]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=50546194  

Heres the other, not much closer, but a bit clearer...

Ignore the flyer from a high elbow...

LBK,

IMO, you're not getting full extension.  You're elbow and bow arm height seem to be okay, but you're just not getting to full draw.

Might try pausing at the corner of your mouth, then, force yourself to extend by bringing your back muscles to bare before releasing.

[LONGBOWKID]

I have been told time and time again I have a 25" or 26" draw, But those arrows are 29" and 29.5", I'd have a lot more arrow sticking out, plus I wouldnt be getting told I wasnt at full draw, so I know this just isnt the case.

I'll work on it tomorrow, or when I can and try to use my back muscles more, keep the comments coming guys, they are much appreciated.

Thanks.

The Kid

If you could get some video above and behind you as you shoot the folks here could see about your alignment in short order.

[Str8Shooter]

To me, it looks like you are nearing the face and letting fly. I had a friend who developed a problem with not having a repeatable anchor. He'd get somewhere near his face and let fly. He had to work close to the bale on slowing down, feeling an anchor, before releasing.

It's hard to see exactly where you are anchoring but you mention having a hard time finding a spot. You might try using a bone structure as an anchor. Try the thumb tucked under the jaw or a finger pressed against the cheek bone.

Let's see more vids... :-)

[LONGBOWKID]

Str8Shooter:  You are correct, but my hand is touching my face, not just nearing it. The joint in my thumb usually touches the corner of my mouth and I release.

I'll try and get a couple more vids tomorrow...

[Ostrorogi]

For sure you are short in drawing there. Try this. Knell down 90 right to your target, than draw your bow full>ancor it, when facing away from target. And after that, turn to target and release. Why like that, because your back will when you turn, add a little more tension to your shoulders, since you will twist like a drill. Like that you will see for yourself that you are short in draw.
Now you look like this:
 
And you should look:
 


 
+ For form you dont need to be on 15 meters. Build your form in less than 5 meters your brain will remeber it faster since you will not be focused in aiming. Try to forget about arrow hit when building your form.

[LONGBOWKID]

Ostrorogi: I'll give that a try but, I am nowhere close to the first picture, in the slightest. I believe the fellow in the first pic has a severely high elbow, and hes not getting near the extention I am.

I shoot much closer to the 2nd picture than the first, maybe not quite as full of an extension or as much back tension either.

I was forgetting to aim, my arrows were all over the place.lol

After shooting for 7-8 years and having many, many wins shooting 3-D, its not an issue of being new to the sport, just trying to perfect everything.

I am fully functional and accurate the way I shoot now, I would just like to improve that even more, thats why I came here....

I will try to get another video this evening, but no promises.

Thanks for the help.

The Kid

[Ostrorogi]

First picture was an exsample, sorry.

Perfection is the key of total sucess.

I had simlar problem than you do... I drawed 28" but when i made my form like it should be i came on 29".

[Terry Green]

It looked to me like you were letting go at 5 oclock, and ending up at 6.  If you are letting go when your thumb joint touches the corner of your mouth...then you are short drawing and not getting full extension or proper alignment.

It also looked like your shoulders are pointing left of the target.

Get an overhead view if you can.

[LONGBOWKID]

I have a couple overhead shots, but they are in the late evening, and poor quality. But I will post when they upload.

Terry:  I will agree that I am stopping at 5 o'clock and ending up at six. Also agreeing that I am short drawing.

Today I was told AGAIN I have a 25 1/2" draw, it gets frustrating, cause I know thats not the issue in the slightest, nor is the bow weight.

Right now, If I draw and touch my canine tooth, I have an exact 28" draw, and thats aparently not quite getting full extension. So I would assume, after perfecting the 12/6 line-up, I will have close to a 29" draw? Correct me if I am wrong.

Ostrorogi: Don't apologize, I understood what you were trying to say, I just wanted to make it clear my problems werent quite that severe. lol.


Thanks again,

The Kid

[Guru]

Listen to what these guys are telling you....sometimes what we think we're doing, isn't what we're actually doing. Most people don't draw as far as they think they do.

I think that is the case with you....you are nowhere near the extension you could be...

Again it's hard to tell from your videos....but it looks to me that you are much closer to the guy in the first pic, than Terry in the second pic....

You're robbing yourself of some bow performance...get that elbow back.....strive for the 12-6 position with a positive push-pull at release and your accuracy will improve......

[LONGBOWKID]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=50642304

Waaaay too dark to see anything...

I guess I'll try again tomorrow, this was shot in the late evening, after working on another project...

I think that video is basically useless, but take a look I suppose...

The Kid

You're elbow is ending up in good alignment, but you're releasing before you get there.  Another video with 2 or 3 shots would be good to see.

[JAG]

I'll be seeing you in a couple weeks.  Maybe we can do a bit of work on your from.  I know a fellow that will be there that can help you better.  I'll see you there.

[LONGBOWKID]

To all that posted,

 It was brought to my attention that it might appear I was argueing with some of you, that is not the intention of any of my posts.

I apologize for anything I might have said that deterred further advice. All is welcome, and of course, no one can see the same problems with themselves as others can.

Keep all the advice coming, it is much appreciated.

I'll see you there Johnny, I'd be glad to get some pointers, or a shooting lesson or two.

Thanks,

The Kid

[Terry Green]

No worries....I didn't read any of that into your post. Still looking for that over head view.