hey jim, always like your advice. and i have just got back in the house from playing with the brace. i twisted it up and down...no difference. as bad as i hate to...i guess im gonna have to use the limbsavers, muskrat fur silencers, and soft side velcro in string grooves... i know im not being anal, like i said earlier, i know quiet and my hoyt gm2 is very quiet.but this bow is just louder than normal. i shot at a doe friday with the chekmate. the doe ducked the arrow at 15 yrds but then came right back like nothing was wrong...i know she had to hear that buzz...could it be my clicker? one thing i noticed is that this brand of clicker compared to the one on my hoyt( dont know which brand is which, but the one on the chekmate has a longer base) is very hard to pull to click...takes more effort, quite a bit.....