from the top form pics, tell me what you see

[jrchambers]

 

heres a couple different angles.
ill try and get the T shot next.

[eric-thor]

the top pic looks better for shoulder lineup. id rather see your actuall stooting  and a front view. whats the actuall help u r looking for what problem r u havin?

[Barry Winner]

Just a pet peeve of mine regarding your bow hand.  Holding the fingers out actually creates tension in the bow hand.  I'd rather see you relax and let the fingers curl naturally back into the palm area.  Much less tension that way.  Just a thought.

[moebow]

jr,  I agree with the bow hand statement above. Your arrow and drawing forearm alignment is good. Now for the bow shoulder.  Really apparent in the second picture.  You have your bow shoulder "scrunched" forward(toward your chest) and raised way too high(towards you head).  You need to work on keeping that shoulder low and back, that will help you get a straight line from your string arm shoulder through the bow shoulder to the bow hand.  Also getting that shoulder down and back will help you avoid serious shoulder problems in the future!!!!  Try to think of pushing your bow shoulder towards the target. If you get this all lined up, it looks to me as though you will increase your draw length by an inch or two. Good luck.

[jrchambers]

well thanks for the responses, moebow i had a post earlyer about the scrunch, i did it on purpose on one and not on the other, wondering if any one could catch it in the alignment,  it doesnt really shorten my draw but a quarter, that arow is 32 to bop.
both picks took some time due to the camera i had to hold 70lbs for 5-8 seconds because of some delay in the camera. yeah the bow hand looks stressed,

[jrchambers]

i think the draw stays close to the same when i scrunch due to over alignment, in photo two the line acros the shoulders croses the line of the arrow, which is not the case in photo 1.
im in the process of building up to the weight, it is a 5lb jump from my last,
if i practice right i can keep form from photo 1 every shot,  that is one arrow at a time, if i shoot 5 or 6 in a row i will scrunch by the last couple arrows,  in the last day or two with photo 1 form i havnt missed a tenis ball out to 20 yards. i can get 20-30 shots a session that way then i start to get tired and form falls apart, i have been improving because i can make myself take a few hour break.

[jrchambers]

 

[jrchambers]

here are a couple more
shirtless so you can see the shoulder joints
photo one is unscrunched but not quite enough,
photo two is scrunched.  the lines are exajerated a bit but thats just to show the different alignment,
photo one is better but looks like i could draw a bit more to get the elbow behind.

[BobCo 1965]

I'm only going to comment on one thing which is your bow shoulder (in either picture). Putting your shoulder in this position is setting yourself up for injury which could occur now or in later years. You are not using the structure of your body while in this position. I'd highly suggest using a bow that you can comfortably handle keeping your bow shoulder down and the bow side scapula forward. If your goal is to move up in weight, I would then use therabands on that some bow (the one you can handle comfortably) to increase poundage gradually.