Anchor and Release

[eric-thor]

idont snap shoot when i hunt either ,sorry

[eric-thor]

How many animals were hunted this year at Compton? Im sorry but this sight is sooo much bigger and more vast than just a hunting site.
Iv read and been a part of sooo many discussions that never originated as hunting threads .how many of us hunt and don’t shoot at any other time ?I know you don’t Terry nor 99% of us . We are all here to advance in our art and target archery is very much a part of bow hunting ever was and will ever be . How else will we ever become efficient and ethical bow hunters. We discuss "archery" every day! as its the root of bow hunting . Its the choice of instrument we all have chosen.
Terry ,I mean no disrespect .... but this response has hit a nerve with me . Similar to "what is trad or not.? " as u pointed out in rule #2( Dedicated to the discussion of “all” topics that relate to traditional bow hunting.)
If target archery isn’t related to bow hunting than we have lost perspective on how we refine our learning and skills for "bow hunting".

I’ve seen other threads that discuss 3-d and F.I.T.A. ect… and average points per target or group sizes that weren’t shut down or even reprimanded and many other discussions that weren’t directly focused on hunting .” per say.” though you have chosen to reprimand zetabow for posting within relevance to the original post for what may have seemed boastful , ok i give you that. but how many of the thousands of discussions have had someone sort of boast or self accomplishment in them ? weather to validate our advice or reject the advice given by others?

I’m sorry Terry but” this” reprimand I feel was uncalled for . and felt a little to much like a manager disciplining someone in a inappropriate way , or miss use of authority.

As a whole I love and appreciate TRADGANG.COM and I firmly believe in rules and some form of parameters for this site but I feel this just did not apply.  


                                                                                                         Sincerely
                                                                                                         Eric
             

[Raging Water]

If you hold onto a boat's rudder, so tight as to not get one degree off course, you are in for a fight with the rudder.

If you let the rudder wonder a few degrees, one way and then back a few degrees, you will maintain course and enjoy the ride.

My 2 cents.

Matt

[Terry Green]

Sorry about hiring a nerve. If u read the front door AND the off topic rules posted on the powwow you will.see what I am referring to.  Also, my comment was not based on just this thread but a pattern of post by more than 1.

We have always allowed 3D but don't do fita Nfaa or flight shooting. Never have since we started.  We don't do target archery here.

Rage, armchair quarterbacking is just that.

I'm just trying to keep the forum on track. I'll post more when I get off this cell phone.

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by zetabow:


Well Bowhunting isn't allowed where I live, not really my fault.
 

Not TradGang's fault either.

[Terry Green]

Ok....I'm back on a computer now.

Please remember these are typed words and can be easily read or taken wrong so read this like one of your friends is talking to you.  I was on my cell earlier...and its a pain to try and type on that thing.

"This forum is dedicated to all aspects of the act of shooting longbows and recurves".  YES, the execution of the shot....not formats or venues.


I know some of you do not know the history of this forum, the folks that have been removed over the years, and what this forum is really about

Its about simplicity of learning to shoot properly.  Its about each of us teaching and learning how to execute a lethal hunting shot. And its about not cluttering up this effort with theoretical/hypothetical/egotistical ranting.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but every year someone will waltz in here and try to 'take over' the forum.  In the past we have had 'my way or the highway' coaches.....his way or the highway students of coaches....self proclaimed experts, forum 'parrots', and target shooters that never even shot at an animal....all of which would start touting all sorts of 'target' lingo and slamming others and other's methods. And posting all sorts of pics of tourneys and target bows with all the wiz bangs and videos as well. Most times I let those folks get too far down the road, and I've learned its best to give fair warning if I see what appears to be a problematic concern rising.  Again, I am not accusing anyone.  There just has been a pattern as of late by several posters, and I don't want it to get out of hand.  And no, I'm not mad at any of them.

I am NOT knocking target archery, its just that this site and forum are not about the target stuff, and its been that way since day one.  I sure don't have a problem with someone who is a target archer contributing, but do have a problem when they start discounting others and other's methods.

I'm just trying to keep it on track as intended....and hope that you all can understand that.

     

[eric-thor]

i totally understand ... ive not been around and seen those people try to infiltrate the site with gastopo attitudes,. i just felt you were a bit premature in your correction ,though ,that was just how"I" felt . i think you'r a great influence and mentor "if you will" here on TG. and i appreciate what you do here .though im sure i know 1/10th of what you do.

i just want people to be able to share about thier archery accomplishments and perspectives and sometimes get a little personal as well .

i feel we r a band of brothers and much can be brought to the tables for all to take part of. i just didnt want that to be strangled /restrained to much. not at all saying there shouldnt be rules or structure:
  i wouldnt want people talking about thier new puppy , the arguement they just had with thier girlfriend and thier wife, or needle point .

i think we r on the same page just recalling different past occurances and seeing the same words from a different perspective and thats ok .

Terry
thanks for not biteing my head off .and takeing the time to read ,process and respond in a pleasent and mature manner .
you have no idea how much that means to me !
my respect for you has grown tremendousely as a result...

                                  sincerly
                                  Eric Borrowdale

[Northwest_Bowhunter]

Well said Terry, and you too Eric!!!  I have watched a lot of Howard Hill video and he appears to be a kind of snapshooter as he releases his arrow almost as soon as he reaches anchor.  Does anyone else see this?

[Terry Green]

Thanks Eric.....yes...the boat was just drifting a bit and I just gripping the rudder tight to get it back on course to use Rage's analogy.

NW....yes, Hill was a snap shooter, as was Bear and Pearson.

And, if you want to see proper alignment demonstrated by Hill...check out him shooting at the rock thrown up by his friend....and freeze it just before release...and compare it to the form clock.

[bshaver]

I appreciate everything target archers have taught me.  I like shooting targets.  I like shooting distances.  I really like shooting.  I hold at anchor mostly, but not to aim.  I can't aim.  Something wrong with my form or my eyes.  I hold low and right, and guess what, I normally hit low and right.  When I am not shooting very accurately, I try to speed it up to snap shooting or just short of snap shooting.  

I like to shoot at moving targets.  I haven't tried bluerock yet, but milk cartons with a few rocks inside and a throwing rope are a lot of fun.  Its pretty close to snap shooting.  I call it draw, anchor, and release.  Not a lot of time for anything else.  I'm hoping it helps me learn to shoot faster, and I hope it will allow me to take some birds on the wing.

I watched Terry's video, "Snap Shooting".  I thought Terry was aiming with his eye over the arrow, and it appeared to me that he had very, very good form.  I am envious.  I am naturally competitive.  Do about anything to shoot more accurately.  Its just my instinct.  So I think I'm an instinctive shooter.  Just wish I could figure out how to aim.  In some fashion or another I need to be able to aim just like Terry, only while moving, (following and then pulling ahead on a moving target).

[Northwest_Bowhunter]

Terry,
I think this is the vid you are talking about.  I think even more amazing then the shot is the fact that "Howard" throws up the rock then shoots it:

 

But you are right, it is a perfect picture of alignment and form.

[bshaver]

This is a dangerous thread.  I just went outside to my backyard archery range.  Tried to shoot faster.  That was okay.  Then I tried to kind of lean into the shot and look down the arrow the way it appears to me that Terry does.  That didn't work out too well for me.  Now I have one less arrow to shoot.  I think I hit the pipe on the neighbors fence.  Bent it pretty good.  I think aiming is a myth and you all are just playing with me.

[Terry Green]

Too funny bshaver.......I use to hold a bit longer myself, but evolved into that style.  It takes more than one arrow to do it!        

I also think you are subconsciously aiming.....i.e. aiming instinctively.

NW, ...yes, sorry, it is Howard that throws it....I new he had a friend there and I haven't watched it in a while.

[zetabow]

Thanks for the support Eric and explanation from Terry, it’s not my intention to brag or put any other style or aiming method down, only to help those who wish to become more consistent and accurate.

Any reference to Fita is purely 3D which is very close to IBO format (all close range 33y max)


shoot straight

If you watch the Hill videos in super slow motion, it appears that although he is snap shooting, his release is still aim motivated, other than timing motivated. He seems to micro adjust just before releasing. A timing motivated release is a problem that I need to always watch out for.
  Maybe I should screw a level and a lighted sight pin onto my Schulz, or one of them lazer things that can set off an alarm to tell me if I am on target.  Nah, my neck, fingers and shoulders hurt just thinking about it.

[Raging Water]

Terry,

I think your grip on the rudder is just dandy.

Thanks, Captain

[Terry Green]

Thanks Rage...

 Zeta....no worries.

 

[eric-thor]

alright group hug..          

[vernon]

first of all I love this site and all it has to offer.  T.G. is right when he says its tough to get you point across using type words.  With that being said I am strictly a bowhunter and use a 3d course and stump shooting to hone my skills for the upcoming season.  I use to snap shoot and shoot awesome.  However, I've started holding my anchor for about 1 second which has helped me control my shot.  Other than that the longer i hold my anchor the worst my shot is.  If the shot, and sequence, feels right roll with it.

[Northwest_Bowhunter]

Originally posted by pavan:
Maybe I should screw a level and a lighted sight pin onto my Schulz

I think if you screw anything into your Schultz there is a strong chance Howard would roll over in his grave, since john was his favorite bowyer.
I used to snapshoot, like John Schultz does in "Hittin' em like Howard Hill", but i had terrible consistancy issues.  I hope to get my technique grooved in to the point I can go back to a quick release, but I think that will take time and lots of practice.