2 nocking points for 3 under question

[azhunter]

I went to 3 under a few months ago and shot without a second string nock and then when I added a second nock under my arrow my groups instantly became tighter. I also like being able to put my tab right under the second nock.

[SEMO_HUNTER]

I have a hard nock above and an eliminator button below and have always done it this way and have always shot 2 under. I mainly started doing it because without the rubber cushion between my index finger and the arrow nock, sometimes I would pinch the nock with my finger tab and cause the arrow to fall off the shelf. The elimator button below the nock solved that problem and after watching those 2 videos, it seems that it solved more than that?
Thanks Jim, Good stuff there.

[Huntschool]

Another thing you might consider is your release style.  I have shot 3 under for years, and I mean years.  About ten years ago a really good archer, competition type, told me my release was a bit sloppy and could be causing some problems.

Here is the deal, and again watch that vid, I was allowing my fingers to come away from the string at a somewhat right angle....

He suggested drawing to anchor and then continuing to draw until the string left my fingers.  Its kinda like hitting the anchor and making the string weight take the string away from you.  Its almost not a conscious move.

It took a great deal of practice on my part but it helped eliminate some "flyers".  I hold a normal "hook" with my fingers so if I screw this up I can tell by the "twang" in my string.

Thats a great vid.  I have tied in "below nocks" for a long time.  They make a ton of performance difference.

[Roy from Pa]

The point is, without a nock under the arrow, the arrow sometimes slides down the string as it moves forward. Great videos, thanks.

[kenn1320]

I found the need for a second nock while paper tuning last year. I could not get the bow to tune without it. I was using pinch on nocks and when I was done, I tied on nocks. Well funny I put the top nock right were the pinch nock was, as I felt that was the most important of the nocks. The lower nock was tied to leave some "room" so as not to pinch the arrow. I left about 1/8", which in reality was likely by mistake that it was that big. After seeing these videos I went back and retied the bottom nock closer to the arrow. Its not binding it, but its very friendly with it. I feel I can tell a difference from removing that 1/8" of slop. Glad this post caught my eye.

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by Johnny UMAA:
I'm not sure that this proves anything at this point, IMO.

Two different gloves used and it appears to be two different anchor points and two different releases (though both are 3 under)

Two nocking points have been around for a long time...its not a 'new revelation', ....nor just 'invented' by someone.

It makes no difference in 2 or 3 under either....it prevents what others have seen in earlier videos other folks filmed .......no matter if shooting split or 3 under.

Several things can cause this...arrow nock/string fit/string angle/release style/string torque....

The only real disadvantage is speed in nocking an arrow in the heat of the moment when in the field.

[Ravenhood]

Well said Terry.

[otter64]

That was a very interesting video.I'll be adding a second nock set.

[bowgy]

a second nocking point ( I just used some dental floss ) helped my accuracy and arrow flight

[JrsyBowHunter]

i'am gonna try the 2nd nock under,i just started shooting 3 under and my groups improved alot, so i will see if a nock under helps more

[Green]

3 under wasn't for me....just personal preference I guess, when I switched back I removed the bottom nock (crimp on).  My groups have gotten consistently better since studying Terry's form and realizing that I shouldn't work on my release, but just keep pulling my elbow around with back tension and allowing the string to slip from the fingers.  All that said, I get the occasional high flyer....I think I'll put that second nock back on and see if that helps.  If it does, then I'll tie one in it's place as I'm sure that shooting split with a bottom nock is going to tear up a glove or two.  My main point here is THANKS to Terry and all the members for their written, photo'd, and video'd advice....been out of it for 10 years and this wealth of knowledge/advice has already taken months off the re-learning curve.

[George Vernon]

Slippage of the arrow nock can occur with any shooting grip as Terry points out.  However, it is more likely with three under since the string directly pushes the nock down while moving the arrow forward.  Split finger can 'shield' the nock just a bit from direct impact.

Shooters using releases that grip the string from below, really have problems without the second nocking point.  

My thanks to Jim Castro for the video clip reference.

Wonder how many other such questions could be easily answered with good high speed video.

[Richie]

After watching the videos I added a second nock and my groups are better.

[3Bears]

Thanks for the video.Since my groups are better than ever.

[Robert Honaker]

I added a second nock and noticed my bottom nock kept sliding down the string. Also..my arrow nock was taking a beating...deep grooves in it.
Figured string angle was pinching my nock between the nocks, so I removed the top string nock.

Suprisingly no difference. String nock still gets pushed down the strung and damage to arrow nock, but not as bad.

I now shoot with one nock below my arrow.  

Also during this found that a tight nock is not a problem and that a loose nock can be.  I use to sand out my nocks for a looser fit on the string = all kinds of problems.  I now want my nock to pop onto the string. I have found no speed loss this way and have achieved great consistantsy.

[olddogrib]

My experience has also shown a tendency for the lower knock to get "pushed" down the string.  However all my nocking points are tied on with used bowstring strands and/or floss and I don't see any nock damage.  I shoot 3 under and can only assume the angle of the bow string in relation to the nock at full draw is a bit more pronounced than with split release which would tend to "square up" the string in the nock groove.  If I tie the lower point right below the arrow nock it will quickly create about a 1/16th inch excess gap, but does not widen.  I assume the arrow could slip this much, but I still use them as I also assume it keeps slippage to a minimum.

[Buckskin57]

Great clip ,thanks.II'll be be wrapping some floss.

[HUNT 24/7]

Can I use 2 brass nocking points??? I don't know how to tie on nocks & don't have anything to do it with.

[HUNT 24/7]

Anyone???????

[AKCrazyhorse]

yes you can.