Grip question

[TSP]

To Green and cbCrow...read my above posts again, this time with an open mind, please.  Nowhere is there any intended or stated 'disrespect' for Moeboe's belief's about how-to-do...and in fact I stated that point fairly clearly and stated I agree with and enjoy most of his posts.  The same can't be said for your own posted points of insult, however (perhaps you should read them over again, too).  Maybe the mirror only works one way for you, but in any case I stand by my earlier message that one's own experience makes for the best teacher, and advice of any nature and from any source deserves to be given and taken with caution, lest it be misinterpreted.  If you disagree with that point then that is certainly your privilege, but any misconception or dislike you may form about the message (or messenger) doesn't come with a right to cast the very nature of dispersions that you accuse the messenger of.  I believe the term for that practice is known as 'calling the kettle black'...and besides being disingenuous it is against the written rules of this forum and the unwritten rules of constructive discussion.  

If there is disagreement about opinions then let it be rational.  If there are personal attacks or name-calling for the sake of defending one's own opinion or position then let it be addressed for what it is by the forum moderators and handled accordingly.  I am comfortable with that approach.  Are you?

[RobinHood1389]

Moebow....I have a question for you. I see in your pics that you use the pad of your hand (between red and yellow) to take the pressure of the bow. Now alot of what I read (books not forum) suggest putting the pressure of the bow in the "V" between the thumb and pointer finger (the "OK" sign with your fingers).

Do you have any issues with torquing the bow upon release?

I am not doubting what works for you or others. This caught my attention and really interested me. Thanks

[moebow]

I believe what you are describing is the high wrist grip.  Many shoot very well with it.  The grip I describe here is the low wrist that is currently taught in the National training system (NTS).  Its advantage is that the distance from the bow grip to the ulna in your arm is shorter than if all the pressure is in the Y of your hand.  EITHER will work!  The high level competitors have pretty much abandoned the high wrist in favor of the low wrist, FWIW.

If the low wrist is done correctly, there should be NO torque to the bow.

[RobinHood1389]

thanks for the help.

[njloco]

I have tried and can shoot using both, Moe's method described here works much better for me, it has made my shooting much more reliable and I can go from one bow to the next with a minimal of adjustment.

[Green]

TSP - I did as you asked and reread both your posts.  My initial reading of your next to last sentence 5 weeks ago hit me the wrong way.  I feel that Arne did, and has always done, a good job of disclaiming things and the second to last sentence in your post on 10/23 read to me to be belittling the effort he made, and continues to make, for those members who come here seeking guidance.  

In rereading your posts after this much time has elapsed I agree with what you're saying to those asking for help re seeking as many opinions and methods as possible.  Arne has been a huge help to me personally and I owe the man a huge debt of gratitude for the immense amount of time he has spent guiding myself and many others along.  My post was in defense of what I perceived to be a slight on his selfless nature and expertise.

You have my apologies for posting that in an open forum instead of PM'ing you in a questioning manner.  It was not my manner to call you out, but that's the problem with the internet...you get no facial features or voice inflection and maybe I should have taken my own advice and backed away from the keyboard.

I hope you accept this apology so we can return to the informative nature of this thread.
Rob Green

[TSP]

Green, apology accepted sir.  You are absolutely correct that at times its easy to 'say' things on these forums and have it not turn out as intended.  My foot hits my mouth way more often than it should (at least my wife keeps telling me that, lol).  I guess we all have such a keen interest in many of these topics that getting 'excited' (i.e., hot under the collar) is hard to avoid.  I should try harder.

Please accept my 'computer handshake'... and yup, let's keep on keepin' the faith on healthy archery discussion.        

[markliep]

Just ran across this chain last night - spent an hour following Moebow's advice & great improvements in grouping at the20 & 30m I was shooting at - mucho thx for your advice Moebow - I didn't know what I didn't know but now you've enlightened me to the variable thats my wrist - you should've been my Kung fu master -M

[Brianlocal3]

Arne is phenominal.  He is also a very very nice guy who helps a lot of us.  This grip tutorial is the best in the business

[Oldskool2]

Great advice, MB!! Thanx!!!

[oldgrouch]

Warning!!! Impending Thread Hijack!!!!

What are you guys thoughts on this.......

I have nerve damage in my hands and wrists. How bad? I burned a blister on my left hand on the grill last night. About 1/4"x1", I didn't even feel it, just smelled the burning hair.

This obviously leads to my grip trying to wander around.

My Dorado is a pita, the grip is kinda' small.
My Sage is a little better.
My Nomad from the 70's better.

If I can get it right, an Ace bandage around the wrist helps minimize the wobbly grip, a little.

Anyone ever work with or see anyone with a similar problem?

I'm really open to all ideas.

[moebow]

og,  That is really hard to help with with out being there.  Remember that the bow hand is nothing more than a brace point for the bow to push against as it is drawn.  The less tension there the better.  

That said, without feeling in the hand or wrist, it may be hard to get it set the same way each time.  Have you experimented with various types of slings to help retain the bow as it is shot?  You might find that a sling of some sort will also help with positioning too.

I would think that trying various ways of getting the center of pressure of the bow as close to the end of your forearm bone (Ulna) through the use of the low wrist grip shown MAY help.  But again, without actually seeing it is hard to suggest much more.

Arne

[oldgrouch]

Hey Moebow.

I have about 35% of my grip in my left hand and around 50% in my right, at least the Docs say so.

So far I can't seem to keep my lifeline off the handle. My hand wants to let everything settle toward the middle of my hand.

I tried again last night and I can tell I'm really putting a lot of pressure on my thumb. Not the base, outward way from the bow.

I seem to get my best consistency by letting my hand collapse outward, till it locks against the tendons.

I guess i need to get some pics posted.

[moebow]

Ya, you may have to let the grip go more into your palm.  I would like to see some pictures if you can post or PM them.

Arne

[Echo62]

Moebow, just wanted to thank you for this post. Coming from a recurve backgroud to a broom handle
longbow (GN Fieldbow) I was having a hard time adjusting. Your grip tips were just what I needed.
Thanks again, Keith.

[Brianlocal3]

TTt because this is some very usefull info

[Bill Turner]

Just reviewed this post again. It is excellent and needs to be moved up once again. Thanks Moebow, job well done.  

[moebow]

Wow a blast from the past, although I do link it rather frequently when someone asks about the bow grip.

Thanks Bill!

Arne