well played with it some more,i got all confused about the arrow kick/spine deal.my recurve is a black creek banshee TDR ,38lbs at 28",im thinking 38 lbs ,600 spine.nope i dug up some goldtip 3555 pro shafts full length and 125 grains ,im drilling a snuff can on the hay bale at 10,20,and 30 yards ,i was shocked! the bow also has a skinny 8 strand string ,jim gainey said it would probaly change what spine arrow ,he sure was right.think im keeping this one.it shoots to darn good!