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Offline Caleb Andes

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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2011, 09:32:00 PM »
im dead all the way here.. ive tried dynamic before and my shots went crazy..
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2011, 10:32:00 PM »
My draw hand moves back an inch or two on release.  Not dead . . . but pretty static.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2011, 09:52:00 AM »
Both of these are dynamic releases....just different tempos...

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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2011, 01:19:00 PM »
Interesting.

When I get home today, I'm going to try out your dynamic release TG.

I liked the way that looked.

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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2011, 02:32:00 PM »
It might come back to our backgrounds.  I used to shoot benchrest rifle and did a lot of long range varmint hunting.  Now I shoot a lot with a flintlock.  In these instances you need a decided motionless follow-through if the target is stationary.  Probably I have the same mind-set with an arrow release.

Bottom line (IMHO) is that either release will work if you are consistant with it.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2011, 02:44:00 PM »
Stumpkiller,
I think you are right, but I also think a lot of hunters mistake their release for a static release.  Howard Hill advocated leaving your hand in your face upon release but his release was very dynamic.  It is like the steps laid out by Rod on that link TG put up earlier.  Pulling to anchor (both of them hopefully) then pulling with your back until you have proper body alignment upon release.  As long as your hand doesn't go forward, or out away from your face then you must have been pulling when you let go of the string... isn't that a dynamic release.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2011, 03:48:00 PM »
We all seem to describe events different than we experience them.  I tried "relaxing my whole right side" as some shooters suggest and I fell over.  For someone to suddenly release 60 or 70 pounds of draw effort and NOT move in the opposite direction there must be other muscles at work.  On the other hand, I have seen videos where the shot is gone and the hand is against the jaw and then it's like the shooter realizes he forgot his flourish and he adds it afterwards.  We can call that the "WannabeDynamic Release".

Another problem I have is that I shoot a fairly upright and more "formal" stance with my back in-line with the arrow's path.  I'm holding with my hand but my back muscles are finishing the last of the draw.  My arm is stopped at that point in relation to the shoulder socket.  I breathe in (to expand my chest and get to full draw), hold, and release.  I'd have to restart it to pull it past my ear.  Just feels unnatural (to me).
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2011, 04:07:00 PM »
I used to do a swing draw, when my hand didn't really touch my face until I was at full draw, then my middle finger would touch the corner of my mouth (most of the time) and my thumb knuckle locked behind my ear.  The pressure of my thumb against my jaw was string because I think I was using that as a literal "anchor" as opposed to a reference point.

Now my bow hand comes up and I draw straight back dragging my hand across my face until my middle finger catches on the corner of my mouth, my hand relaxes and opens up so my thumb can reach behind my jaw.  At this point I focus on pulling my shoulder blades together but my bowstring really doesn't seem to move but this back contraction eventually drags my fingers off the string and I have release.  It only takes a second or two from the time I hit my first reference, maybe less.  My over all shooting has improved some just from this change but my first shot scores have improved significantly.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2011, 07:49:00 AM »
I ageww with Forge that Dynamic is the best way to go but it does take time to learn. Once it becomes second nature to you your shots will be point non. Shoot Straight!

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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2011, 03:59:00 PM »
Thanks Terry.  Then I have rod Jenkins dynamic release.  In fact, identical.  Why is this considered dynamic?  Is it because the back tension is still pulling when I release?  My hand flies back when my release is on.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2011, 02:16:00 PM »
Dynamic means you never stop pulling....Static means you stop.

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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2011, 06:19:00 PM »
I just started using what I consider the most Dynamic release out there. A style of snap shooting. I try to mirror TG's style of release. There is no chance of the arrow creeping forward before the shot. The reason I did this is because Rod Jenkins said on one of the MBB to only think about the spot you want to hit. When I "snap" shoot I don't give myself time to try and aim or think about anything else but THAT spot. So far so good.

P.S. I would like to put a video up and get tips. Where do I do that?
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2011, 06:42:00 PM »
Right here for the video.  There are many that will and can weigh in.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2011, 11:05:00 PM »
I think as with anything, there is more then one way to do something right, Rick Welch is one of the best shots out there and he uses a dead release, and many others mentioned above use a dynamic release and shoot as well as Rick does, so it is different for everyone, what works for one will not work as well for another. Develop what works best for you and stick with it.

For years I struggled with Target Panic, I compensated my TP by snap shooting, I was never a very good shot, thanks to tips from threads from this site and Ricks Accuracy Factory DVD I am now shooting better then I ever thought I could and pretty much TP free, I won't say I don't ever have a shot where I let my nerves get the best of me, as anyone that has had serious TP knows, it is a monster that you have to keep at bay and is an on going struggle, but I have developed the mentle tools to do a very good job at keeping it at bay, and if I have an occasional shot that I pluck, because of bad habits developed over many years of TP, I no longer let it bother me, and the next 20 shots will fly true.

I know the thought and teachings of never stop pulling, but I can guarentee that if I shot like that, within a week I would be back to snap shooting, I have tried it more then a few times a long ways back because I thought that was the only correct way to shoot, and that is what continued to begin to happen.

Its not until I said the heck with it, I am not going to be able to be a dynamic shooter, and started practicing using a dead release and as Rick states... settle into my shot and take a few seconds at full anchor, to let my muscles and upstairs computer develop a sort of memory that my shooting improved, again more then I ever imagined.

Again, each individual has to experiment, and do what works for you and stick with it. The better shot you become, how ever you need to shoot to be confident, the more you will enjoy traditional archery, I was not able to enjoy archery for years, although I shot daily, now I'm able to practice daily, and once again love doing it just as much as when I first started shooting many years ago. DK.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2011, 11:48:00 AM »
Though Rick may look like he has a static release it really isn't.  Terri refered to Rod Jenkins release as dynamic even though
Rod anchored and aligned before releasing.  I have the same release.  When I release I just relax my hand but I never really stop pulling with my muscle between my shoulder blades.  I do however pause at anchor for sight aligment and site picture.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2011, 12:57:00 PM »
cjgregory: I'm not sure of the termonology, when you say static realese, is that dynamic (pulling all the way through the shot) or a dead release?

When I say a dynamic release will not work for me, it is because, my mind always wanted me to release early, the more I would snap shoot, the earlier I would release, and on and on, a constant struggle to get to my anchor. So when I would try the never stop pulling method, ie using my tightening my shouler blades as my draw was nearing its conclusion, my mind was saying RELEASE...RELEASE...RELEASE, and thus I would get drug back into snap shooting or a premature release before hitting my anchor spot.

Once I went to a dead release, and how I came to do that is a whole different discussion (as you can see I tend to be long winded anyway!  :)  ) But I do use a few different tricks to help me hold at anchor for as long as I want to, I alter these tricks to keep my subconsious guessing if that makes sense and I have become very good at it, and love the fact that I am in control of my shot.

One last thought, McDave posted in the past few weeks on a thread about TP, anytime he posts anything I am reading and re-reading it, I don't know him, but he has alot of great ideas, anyway he talked a bit about a new method he has been trying, I don't want to put words in anyones mouth, but he called it something like the 'slide' method and said he tried it recently at a shoot where he tends to have more trouble then while just practicing. Anyway it goes something like this, he comes to full draw, then will let down a very tiny bit, not ever leaving his anchor, then back to full draw, and back and forth a few times until he looses the arrow, his mind not knowing when exactly that moment will take place, which again is a method that I would call, tricking my mind, anyway I have been playing with this also, putting it in my (bag of tricks) to again, trick my mind, and it works very well. I hope I did not mistate anything McDave meant, and if I did, I apologize in advance.

I know discussions like this have to drive guys that have a perfect release completly NUTS, because it throws all thoughts of perfect form and a text book release out the window, but hey, when deer season roles around and anyone who has had severe TP problems in the past is able to learn methods to over come the TP and send an arrow through an animals vitals, I say lets discuss Target Panic to death! DK.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2011, 02:20:00 PM »
Well DK, I thought I was using a dead release.  LIke you I like to settle into my shot after anchoring.  Much more effective for me.

Then I watched the Rod Jenkins video and that's what he is doing as well as you and I and Rick.  Terri says this is a Dynamic Release.  I guess I would have to see a Dead release now. lol

I'm with you as far as the benifits I see to how we are doing it.
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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2011, 02:26:00 PM »
Yes...static is 'dead'.

Do what ever works best for you.  If you need a dead release to prevent target panic and make you a better shot, by all means use a dead release.

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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2011, 09:13:00 PM »
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Originally posted by cjgregory:
Though Rick may look like he has a static release it really isn't.
I must be missing something here. Can you please elaborate a little bit on how Rick Welch doesn't have a static release ???

He most definately doesn't "pull through" his shots as in a dynamic release......so what do you call that kind of a relase ??? I'm confused   :dunno:  

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Re: Dynamic Vs Dead Release
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2011, 12:41:00 AM »
http://www.tradgang.com/videos/rod.wmv   This is Rod Jenkins shooting.  Terry says its dynamic as long as you are pulling though.

I am a little confused myself. LOL  I probably shouldn't be.  i will just shoot as I am.

Go back to the last page and reread it.
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