Rotational Draw

[tracker12]

I have always drawn my bows using an arm draw.  I have always shot well but it has prevented me from being really consistent.  My release is loud and I get occasional flyers from plucking.  I have been committed to learning to use my back muscles and getting better.  Read a lot about the rotational draw cycle and watched Arne's (Moebow) video several times.  I have been shooting every evening the last week and trying to make every shot right.  It is really working and my shots are clean, arrow penetrate the target straight, and the bow seems way quieter.  

I'm just wondering if I will be able to pull this off in a hunting situation when I am concentrating on the game vice my draw.  Hoping six months of repetition will help out.  

I know it's been mentioned before but have to give a shout out to Arne.

[moebow]

Tracker,

The draw works very well hunting!  There is always a certain amount of motion required for drawing the bow and whether you are doing an "arm" draw or "rotational" you still need to get to full draw.

Once it becomes second nature, you won't feel quite so robotic -- it will become quick and smooth.

Glad it has helped you.

Arne

[tracker12]

Snow day today for Government workers here in the Wash. DC area so I hit my club and hit the indoor range.  It is a little robotic right now but as the session progressed it did feel much more natural.  I'm pretty confident this is really going to work out.  My windage was consistently on line.

[Gator1]

This is a great technique..

Don't use your arm. I wore out my shoulder with poor form and now have ortho arthritis that is not fun to deal with...

[mahantango]

x2 on the shoulder issues. I've been shooting for over 35 years, and the rotational draw has probably been the most beneficial thing I've learned in that time (thanks Moebow). I struggled with shoulder/ rotator cuff tendonitis off and on for years brought on by a couple years of shooting heavy compounds in the 80's and 30 years as a carpenter. The rotational draw is so much stronger from a physical and mechanical standpoint that I firmly believe it is instrumental in avoiding injury. Learning this technique, plus ditching the compound 20 yrs. ago (I feel they are a prime culprit, but that's another can of worms) has enabled me to comfortably shoot stickbows in the 55-65# range, and my shoulder feels better than when I was in my 30's.

[mightyox]

I just started shooting and id like to see moebows videos. where can i find them? Sorry i can't help with the original post

[tracker12]

just go to youtube and search moebow

[moebow]

mightyox,

Here you go

 http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMoebow1

Arne

[mightyox]

Thanks buddy.

[mightyox]

Great videos i hope i get a chance to practice today.

[Firstlight]

Yeah, I have to say watching Arne's videos has been very helpful to me.

I used to swing draw.  I was a good shot for a bunch of years then the dreaded TP / short draw set in.  I was a full on "burn a hole" in the target guy.

I have spent the last year relearning my entire form.
Draw (rotational), anchor and several other elements of form.

I am shooting much better and someday will share all I have done.  It's been frustrating at times but focusing on the long term gain has made it worthwhile.

[Terry Green]

The rotational draw can be over the top or horizontal.....the main goal is to achieve proper alignment and back tention

I use horizontal and shoot mostly pre point but have made may shots on game with the swing draw which still incorporates my rotational draw.

[moebow]

Absolutely Terry!!  What I show in the videos is A WAY to LEARN but once learned, it can be applied in many different ways.  The important part IMO is getting to final alignment and BT.

Arne

[Jack Hoyt 75]

Well since I agree with these comments and spent the evening practicing form Ill send this back to the top.  Rotational draw is helping me and I am going to keep practicing this form.  I still need to improve backtension and anchor but recommend this form.

[tracker12]

I have been shooting archery in one form or another since 1968 and it wash't until I started back with traditional gear a couple years ago that I actually drew the bow back using my back vice my arms.  I have been amazed at how much I have improved.  I have to really concentrate to get it right since I have arm drawn for so long.  When   my consistently or groups start to waver the draw is the first thing I look to.

[moththerlode]

I have to watch my elbow , too low and the back doesn't engage. At the right ht I feel the back engage

[Jack Hoyt 75]

I have been practicing rotational draw and watched all moebow videos a few times.  The up and over draw seems little more natural to me.      
my issues seem to be if I exaggerate the rotation to much it pulls my bow hand off where I am aiming and makes group wider? So I toned it down but still rotate the shoulder and engage the back muscles.  
Now I notice my string elbow is a little high?  Definately high but not crazy high.  I had my wife pull my elbow down at full draw to parrelel and it did not feel right at all?  Felt like it took from back muscles and made back and arm weaker and it wanted to raise my bow arm also?
 I feel like one step forward then two steps back!   :confused:   :confused:    
I think I will video myself this weekend share for some criticism.

[alex321]

Originally posted by moebow:
mightyox,

Here you go

  http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMoebow1  

Arne

Thanks for putting that up....  I have just started archery within the last 6 months and have no coach, so must get everything off the internet.  It is the first time I have seen your videos.  Thank you for taking the time to explain and to film your ideas.  I will study them closely when I return off holiday.

Cheers
Alex

[Pete McMiller]

Tracker,

This turkey season I was able to draw on two birds while just sitting on a chair with a ghillie suit on.  The only way it worked is if my bow was up, extended and drawn about 2" while I waited for the birds to present a shot.  When I was ready I used an almost perfect rotational draw so the only movement the birds could have possibly seen would have been my elbow rotating around.  They never saw it but I was so shocked that I got away with it that I missed both shots.  Still, I called it a successful hunt.

[Bladepeek]

This is off the trad hunting theme, but kind of addresses the original question of "can I do this when I'm concentrating on game and not my draw?"

I took a revolver class from a real master. He saw me using my thumb on the ejector rod to drop the empties neatly in the palm of my hand. He asked me what I would do if one stuck in the cylinder. I said I'd smack the ejector rod smartly with the palm of my hand. His comment was "Why don't you do it that way every time then? You will fight the way you train".

I think the rotational draw will fall in the same category. If you draw that way all the time, it will become a conditioned response to the desire to draw instead of a conscious, thought process.