Whatcha all got for me

[scooter135]

Ok so how's everything look, I recently changed my anchor to a lower position. What do you all think about everything about my form and release?
 

[moebow]

scooter,

First, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!

Here are a few things I think you should take a look at and try.

Your bow hand fingers are sticking straight out and you are "catching the bow" at release with your index finger.  Try to relax the fingers to the back of the grip before you ever start drawing.  That way the bow will be "caught" before you ever start and the relaxed fingers will take forearm tension out of your bow arm.

Next, you are letting the bow shoulder ride up as you draw.  See how close to the jaw it is at full draw?  Work on keeping that shoulder down and back.  This will strengthen your bow arm and help eliminate the arm drop you get at release.  Shoulder down and back and maintain a 90 degree angle between the bow arm and spine.

Your actual release looks pretty good  -- that is you "get off the string" OK -- BUT... do you see how your string hand pops out from your face 3 or 4 inches??  That tells me that you have most if not all the draw weight of the bow in your arms and little to none in your back.

I suggest slowing your shot a little, and at full draw, try to transfer the bow weight to your back.  For me, that feels a little like leaning my back against a wall.  As you make the transfer, you will feel the front of the body relaxing and the back taking the weight.

If you can get this, your string hand will move straight back along your cheek to a position in the air just behind your ear.  The string hand popping out like it is currently doing is what is causing the left right errors.

Your overall alignment at full draw is really quite good, just work on getting the string arm more relaxed and the back into the shot more.

You might take a look at these videos for ideas:
 https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMoebow1/videos

Arne

[scooter135]

Awesome thanks

[scooter135]

So on my bow hand should I just let them relax around the front of the grip or go close fist and tuck them in? My bow arm as far as bringing down my shoulder are you saying that the 90 degree line should be from arm through arm pit down ribs? I know I need to use my back more and I seem to use my arms more now that I have lowered my anchor point. I think repetition while working on back engagement with the lower anchor point will come back to me, I will post a follow up video later this week.

[moebow]

Play with it a little, relax the bow hand fingers and see how it works with the fingers on the back of the grip or with some combination of fingers curled under.  What you are wanting to do is to get all tension out of the bow forearm AND NOT have to "catch" the bow at the release.

 http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=005763#000000

That high bow shoulder places the joint between the upper arm and shoulder in a very weak position, both for bow arm stability AND for potential injury.

Getting the shoulder down and back will also help with the 90 degree angle between the bow arm and the torso.  Up to you to define it as arm to ribs, arm to torso or arm to spine.  I just like the last one.

Looking forward to the follow up video.

Arne

[scooter135]

So I haven't posted another video because I found out from BW that my bow is due in in about 2 weeks. I will post another video as soon as I get it in

[scooter135]

BTW for some reason I'm having a hard transferring to my back. On my release I am still in my arms some cause I video'ed in slow motion and see my arm pop back about an inch to two then I see my back pull my arm back past my ear. I use to use my back a lot more(2 months ago) cause I was always sore in my shoulder blades and middle back after shooting so im not sure why I all of the sudden have relied on my arms more now....

[moebow]

You might recheck the "rubber band" video, I did, for string shoulder movement.  You need to relax the string arm and pull that shoulder back to get your back tension.

Arne

[scooter135]

 

[scooter135]

Latest shooting, feedback welcome

[moebow]

OK,  Bow hand looks much better.

These two video angles don't show me what I need to see though.  I can see that you are still rolling your bow shoulder up and forward.  See how it comes right up to your jaw?  Try to keep it more in the position at the start of the draw, don't let it lift.  We should be able to see most of your neck in the view, not just the jaw and shoulder.

From what I can see, your shot execution is much better overall.  I really need to see a video with the camera looking straight at you.  As though we were standing face to face with you shooting right handed and me shooting left handed at the same target.  Then get the camera back far enough to show you from head to foot and front of the bow to the string elbow.

I know you are probably a little restricted for room in these shots, but if you can get back to the range and have someone take the camera shots that would help.

Arne

[McDave]

Nice looking new Black Widow!  I'm envious.

I know Arne doesn't advise people to push with their bow arm, and no doubt if you push excessively, you could push yourself out of alignment. Other people, like Fred Asbell, advise that pushing with the bow arm is one of the most important and overlooked things you can do to increase your accuracy.

In your case, I think a little judicious pushing with your bow arm shoulder might be just what you need to keep it down and in alignment. You will notice that pushing down with your bow arm shoulder actually does push your bow hand toward the target and increases your draw length a smidge.

I understand what Arne is advising: just keep your bow arm shoulder solidly in place in the same position it was at the start of your draw. But in order to do that, you have to bring some muscles to bear that you weren't using at the start of your draw. For some, that might feel like pushing with your bow arm.

[LongStick64]

I agree with McDave and Fred Asbell, I incorporate a slight push, it's more like pushing against a wall, I dont extend my bow arm, just use pressure against the bow.