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Offline tracker12

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Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« on: July 01, 2015, 01:20:00 PM »
Been shooting the 3D course at my club the last few weeks using a fixed crawl that I set up on one of my bows.  I have to say that as long as my form stays consistent which has been it is a very accurate method of shooting.  The guy that introduced me to it has been hunting that way the last few years and he claims very good success.  Was wondering what distance you set your crawl at.
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 02:23:00 PM »
I set my fixed crawl for point on at 20 yards then gap up or down from there. Gives me a solid reference from 10-25 yds. My point on is right at 30 with my finger just under the nock. I set my fixed crawl nock point under my tab, that way I can just slide my tab down until it hits it, this allows me to use my fixed crawl from 10-25 yards, and my finger under the nock for 25-35 yards. Great system which really helped my aiming.

 For 10 yards and under I just shoot instinctive.

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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 03:20:00 PM »
I am thinking of making a video about my experience with the fixed crawl. I really like it. I will hopefully have a little time off next week to do it.

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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 06:20:00 PM »
JR
So am I understand correctly in that your crawl point it the bottom of your tab at 20.  Do you move the tab for a 15 yard shot or just aim low.
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2015, 06:32:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Jakeemt:
I am thinking of making a video about my experience with the fixed crawl. I really like it. I will hopefully have a little time off next week to do it.
I would sure be interested in seeing this, so I could get a better grasp of what "fixed crawl" is!

Is this a form of string walking?

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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2015, 06:35:00 PM »
I've played with it but it's just not for me. I've settled on using my nicking point to shrink my gap and just shooting regular 3 under,
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2015, 06:39:00 PM »
A video explaining the fixed crawl

 
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2015, 06:56:00 PM »
Thats a great video done there by Jimmy.  I can attest that it is a deadly method.  I have had a very long journey since coming back to a longbow after 40+ years with that other bow.  What I have found that for me I needed to solidify my form and then adopt an aiming method.  Instinctive just wasn't giving me the consistency I was wanting.
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2015, 07:10:00 PM »
I'm with Scott E.  I tried it for a bit and it just required too much thought on my part, and I decided that shooting animals is not like field archery, you're dealing with moving targets, not target bales that just sit there letting you aim as long as you like.  I think it is useful for shots past 30 yds, but 30 yds and under I'd rather just focus focus focus and stick with my instinctive-split vision amalgam.
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2015, 09:00:00 PM »
Tracker,

 For a 15 yard shot I would place my tab on my fixed crawl nock point and just aim a few inches low. I usually use my fixed crawl in a tree stand or over water where I am pretty sure the range will be somewhere between 10-25 yards. Anything past that I just shoot with my finger under the arrow nock and gap from there.

 This really helped me gain proficiency in aiming! May not be for everyone, but it sure helped me out.
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2015, 09:13:00 PM »
I set mine for 20 yards, the average shot distance I get, and gap off it for closer or further. After a while you 'instinctively' set the gap for the distance. Deadly accurate if your form is consistent.
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2015, 10:07:00 PM »
Works great for me..still can do good with just instinctive but fixed crawl for hunting helps me a lot

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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2015, 10:14:00 PM »
It appears it is string walking with only one ( maybe more can be done) preset finger location. It is set using a nock point on the string.  

In string walking, there are numerous preset points, but usually not marked by a nock point but by counting down the windings on the serving, or even by counting the stitches on ones tab and holding at a  then known location on the string.  

Done the old way, you can have holding points for many more than one "crawl" as is said today.
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 01:43:00 AM »
Way to slow. You sometimes only have five or less seconds to shoot while calling . Target stuff works great.
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 06:22:00 AM »
Seems like it would mess with your time with broadheads????
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 02:45:00 PM »
I posted the below reply on someone else's post a few weeks back. The fixed crawl is not slow, nor is it hard to learn. It is quite simple and extremely accurate for hunting with a traditional bow. A brass nocking point added to the string at your fixed crawl location is no slower than addressing the string 3 under or split finger. See below for more detail:

A fixed crawl is an abbreviated form of stringwalking.

While stringwalking, your tab is positioned vertically at different positions down the string (the further away from the nock down the string, the closer the shot).

As you can imagine, in low light and under the pressure of a fast approaching animal, looking down at your string, making the crawl to the right location, and executing the shot may be too much to ask especially if you have a P&Y buck quickly approaching, changing it's distance from you every couple of steps. (which would require a new crawl to occur)

So a fixed crawl in the most basic sense is adjusting your point on distance. Everything else is handled just like gap shooting.

This is extremely handy for guys like me that love the feeling of a low anchor point. My point on distance shooting 3 under is roughly 40 yards, and my max gap (20 yds) is around 15 to 18".

By crawling down the string to my 25 yard crawl (now my new "point on" distance) this basically means at 25 yards I stick my broadhead on the animal and the arrow goes there. The "fixed" part of fixed crawl simply means I put a brass nocking point right at my 25 yard crawl. So now instead of addressing the string under my second nocking point right under my arrow, I'm addressing the string at my 25 yard crawl every time at the nocking point placed ~0.75" below my arrow nock on the string.

Another benefit of using a fixed crawl is that in reducing my point on distance to my preferred 25 yards, my max gap now becomes 12.5 yards. In addition, that 15-18" max gap just became 8" with the fixed crawl.

Sooooo, now I tune my arrows and broadheads from one crawl distance on the string (25 yards).

Anything under 25 yards, I hold the tip at the bottom of the chest. (it will effectively shoot between 2 - 8" high putting me in the vitals)

At 25 yards, I'm holding center of chest.

At 30 yards, I'm holding at top of back.

I stringwalk all my hunting and competition bows throughout the off season with no fixed crawl. Basically crawling to a different location on the string for each individual distance.

But as soon as the weather starts to get cooler and fall is approaching, I choose my preferred hunting rig for the year, put a brass nocking point at my 25 yard crawl position, tune in my broadheads, and hit the woods.

Its a deadly approach and remedies a lot of issues found with gap shooting or stringwalking for hunting. (summarized below)

Stringwalking issues a fixed crawl fixes:
1. You can tune your broadhead at one location
2. Can address the string and execute a shot without trying to make your crawls with game approaching

Gap shooting issues a fixed crawl fixes:
1. for us low anchor guys, it greatly reduces our point-on distance to whatever you choose. (15,20,25,30 yards - wherever you want)
2. By reducing your point on, it also reduces the extremely large gaps that us low anchor guys face.
3. The tip stays on the deer for most shots in the woods.

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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2015, 03:18:00 AM »
I remember a couple of string walk target shooters way back when.  It seems the criticism of it for target work was arrow flight and limb timing.  How is that dealt with today?  Back in the 60s, it was considered that as long as the bow was to be held in a vertical position anyway that a simple bowsight would accomplish the same thing.  I am curious, are there advantages to string walking or crawl, as you named it, over using a sight?  I have a right handed left eyed shooter that wants to keep using his bow sight, looking at this like it may be a possible option for him.

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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2015, 11:55:00 AM »
Pavan, stringwalking allows for infinite "pins" as each stitch on your tab is essentially a new pin. My target rig shoots at 3 yards per stitch. So each stitch is worth 3 yards of distance. So my stitches are: 15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36,39,42 point on.

A fixed crawl for hunting removes the possibility of the excuse "my sight must have got knocked and out of adjustment"  ;)

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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2015, 10:35:00 PM »
Using a fixed crawl I can shoot with bow vertical or canted. With a pin sight only can shoot vertical and hit.

Pavan, stringwalking will mess with your arrow tune, but a fixed crawl you tune for that crawl so your always in tune.
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Re: Any Fixed Crawl Hunters
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2015, 06:20:00 PM »
Just to clarify, fixed crawl is normally for hunting. A few posts here referenced it being used for target stuff. I have never shot target or competition but I believe that stringwalking would be the preferred method there.

 A fixed crawl would be very limiting then........however when it comes to hunting fixed crawl is very similar to gapping, just with a much shorter point on. It is very fast and intuitive, put the point on the animal where you want to hit and execute the shot. My gaps are very minimal between 10-25 yards 6-8 inches up or down is all we are talking about.

 I do understand it may not be for everyone, but if your form is good and you are still dealing with the occasional flyer, you just may give it a try, it is a very simple and deadly method and has helped me out tremendously with my hunting accuracy.
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