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Offline anatone hunter

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Drills or exercises for back muscles?
« on: March 02, 2018, 10:06:00 AM »
Other than actually shooting the bow, are there any drills or exercises that helps in the engagement of back muscles when shooting.
If I draw a lightweight rubber band thing, I can flex and feel the back, but as I draw my heavier hunting bow I cannot seem to feel those muscles working.
Hoping this is a form question and belongs here. Thanks..

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Re: Drills or exercises for back muscles?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 11:29:00 AM »
I think you are correct: if you are struggling to hold a bow at full draw, you are less likely to be able to feel subtle changes within your body.  And engagement of the back muscles is a subtle change from engagement of the arm muscles, because the transference of weight from the arm muscles to the back muscles is not something we commonly do in life apart from archery.  I have noted a number of times in Arne’s commentaries on members’ videos where he has observed that the member does not appear to be using the back muscles at all, which was a surprise to the member and not that obvious to me, as I lack the trained eye that Arne has.

I think the best way to train for archery is to draw a bow that is completely within your control and hold it at full draw for an extended period of time.  I like to do this with an actual bow, so I can release the arrow at the conclusion of the hold, which is sort of a reward for having to do this.  However, if you don’t have a stable full of lighter weight bows to choose from, there are other low cost options available, such as the    Accubow  

The Accubow allows you to set any weight you want, and draw and shoot very similarly to a regular bow.  I bring it on trips when it would be difficult to bring a regular bow.  I like to use it with a Formaster or Shotrainer because it gives me instant feedback as to whether I’m using my back muscles, and avoids the annoying snap when you release the Accubow without it.

My routine is to hold the bow at full draw, both right and left handed, for 20 seconds.  I do 5 reps of this.  I use a bow weight that is not easy to hold for 20 seconds, but is not so strong that I shake and quiver either.  During the 20 seconds I focus on relaxing my string arm and hand, and maintaining back tension.  I also focus on my breathing.  I have found that 3 slow breaths is about equal to 20 seconds, but I need to check myself on this from time to time, because the “slow” breaths tend to get faster over time, and the 20 seconds diminishes accordingly.

I also do a series of exercises I have developed to strengthen my rotator cuff muscles, that does not involve drawing the bow, but I think this post has gone on long enough and I will leave that for another time.
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Re: Drills or exercises for back muscles?
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2018, 11:52:00 AM »
Thanks McDave for quick response. Yep, when ya get to 77 years old, the old man shakes seem to grow. I shoot 45 pounds and do ok for my hunting distances. But, I want to feel those back muscles more to improve release. I shoot with a clicker
(a must) and it is physically demanding.
I can use my wife's 30#er and try the routine you suggest. Thanks for the tip..

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Re: Drills or exercises for back muscles?
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2018, 12:41:00 PM »
Well, I’m only 73.  You can be the model as to how I can keep on doing this!

It would be a good idea to put a clicker on your wife’s bow too, solely as a draw check in this case.  I recently put a clicker on the lightweight bow I train with, and found that I was creeping after about 10 seconds.
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Re: Drills or exercises for back muscles?
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2018, 03:46:00 PM »
I am laughing a bit because I felt the same thing. The wife's bow does not have a clicker and I did experience that along with the other "flinchees".
Will do it!

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Re: Drills or exercises for back muscles?
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2018, 10:33:00 PM »
I get so much info from this board it amazes me to no end. Those back muscles are a different thing from all the other muscle groups. To much and you can be in a mess for days. But the big yellow rubber band can do wonders. I just found this on the next page of this form forum. It concerns the rhomboid muscles. It seems to be the muscle group to use in that expansion to release, as I understand it anyway. Here is a link to an exercise,  https://www.thehealthyapron.com/rhomboid-muscle-pain  , at the bottom of the page are some exercises. The resistance row exercise is what I am using at the moment. I've got that wreck of a bad back so I'm always looking for ways to keep it in shape as it is not easy to do.
 I get a kick out of you old guys, seeing as I'm just 67 this year. Some days the wobble factor is so bad I'm trying to time my release to let loose in the middle so it stays in the bag...

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Re: Drills or exercises for back muscles?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2018, 08:40:00 PM »
Hmm, maybe we start a new thread called;
 "Timing the wobble for old men"...
Using a clicker as I have for the past several months has let me know how physically demanding it is to hold for seconds at full draw. And, there are times when getting thru that clicker seems impossible. Gotta admit it makes me miss the old fun snap shooting days.

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Re: Drills or exercises for back muscles?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2018, 08:42:00 PM »
And p.s. rutro, thanks for the link. I am gonna check that out (after my nap)...

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Re: Drills or exercises for back muscles?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2018, 08:22:00 AM »
Pushups and pullups or any variation of those exercises. Having a strong body is important for more than just archery

If you're older or unable to do the actual exercise, then there are modified versions that just about anyone can begin with.  

A simple wall pushup is a good place to start for the pushing exercise.  
Exercises like an upright row and a band pull-apart would be a good place to start for improving back strength

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