Aiming to Conclusion

[fatzboys]

I found out something.I Think? Thought i would running by some of you guys. I like to think i have descent form.I ve spoke with Arne many time and also took Rod Jenkins class.

Theres alot going on in a shot unless to break it down  step by step.Got that...

Now,what i found out was to do nothing to bring the shot to conclusion.Get in your back and aim at your target until the shot goes off.No bringing elbow around..no thinking of second anchor...just aim nothing else..

I saw a youtube vidio on this a while back where the gentlemen said you would be disappointed to here theres nothing to teach as the trigger..He said it just happens

Anyway im just throwing this out there..like to here if anyone agrees or disagrees with this..Peace out

[McDave]

Originally posted by fatzboys:
Now,what i found out was to do nothing to bring the shot to conclusion.Get in your back and aim at your target until the shot goes off.No bringing elbow around..no thinking of second anchor...just aim nothing else..

What you seem to be describing is the dead release, which works for me.  Got to try things until you figure out what works best for you.

[fatzboys]

McDave
Dead release is when hand stays but...No?
Thats not whats happening.
The tension applied in expansion still has bow jumping forward and string hand going back around neck..
I just always wanted to control release..
My latest effort was trying to relax back of string hand.Which works but not all the time it seems.
Again like you said find what works for you.

I feel thats what im always trying to do..

And it still works in progress.And i feel ive been here before with other things that work for me only to move on.

Never had full blown TP but i have some i deal with.I like to call it drive by..where i run my shot and as soon as i see target i want to hit its gone..

This happen when im under pressure not when im home shooting..

So its hopefully going to help me by doing nothing lol

[McDave]

In your first post, you said “do nothing” and “no bringing elbow around,” which made me think you were talking about a dead release.  However, even using a dead release, one should still bring the elbow around until it is behind the arrow.  In a dead release, movement stops at that point as you hold with balanced pulling and just aim “until the shot goes off.”  With a dynamic release, as taught by Arne and Rod, you do “something” other than aim during the hold, which is to continue increasing back tension.  This is what causes your string hand to recoil backwards on release.  With a dead release, you still have some backwards recoiling of the hand, just not as much as with a dynamic release.

[fatzboys]

McDave
Sounds like a dead release then.There a push pull to expansion....then aim until shot go off...in other words ...focus on the spot to want to hit and nothing else.. Kind of a surprise and relieve at the same time..You have to shoot a lot slower to let your back rest...Your right about Arne and Rod..but i think they feel as teachers they have to teach you something..They cant say..Now at this point we do nothing..lol.There both great at what they do and im glad they share so much..Thanks for your input McDave. Your right up there with them guys...

[fatzboys]

Shot a bunch yesterday in pretty windy condition.Running my shot felt great.The feel and sound of bow  was much better.Mind you im only using a 33 pound long bow to practice with.

Im starting to think this is what people mean when they say ....I pull till the shot goes off....I was doing the same but over doing it. Pulling my elbow to much around my neck. Now...I just aiming longer and its helping me.Which i guess is what counts.

[McDave]

That’s true, we don’t hear much about overdrawing the bow, because the opposite problem is more common. But overdrawing the bow is definitely possible, and it is important to find that sweet spot where you shoot the best.

[fatzboys]

Something else ive noticed.Which i never did before.Finger pressure..While drawling you want fingers and forearm out the game.relaxing both.Always tried to do that.Now ...after anchor..i transfer all bow weight to create backtension..In doing so the weight is in your bow palm,bow arm,back,and string elbow or tricep..


The bow arm is most important..i get that but i think where coaches talk about finger pressure,were how much is on which string finger...There talking about it holding wise..

Expanding as your aimimg puts the weight in these spots in order for that clean release..

I think i was fighting this trying to keep a relaxed draw hand..Or maybe its just something that im feeling today..lol

Any thoughts on this?

[McDave]

Maintaining a balance between pushing on the bow side and pulling on the string side is important.  They say that often times a collapse will start on the bow side, and then migrate to the string side before you begin to notice it. It is important to maintain firm triceps on the bow side even while you relax the biceps on the string side.  I really work hard to maintain a relaxed string hand and forearm.  Of course, the hooked fingertips have to be tensed, and it seems to help me to maintain tensed fingertips at the same time I’m relaxing the rest of my string hand if I take a deep hook on the string.  The other thing taking a deep hook does is take my mind off how much pressure each finger is exerting on the string, as they seem to act more as a unit in a deep hook.

[Stumpkiller]

If your anchor is truly an anchor you draw hand shouldn't move much after ther release.

Certainly not the "flourish" some shooters exhibit like a magician presenting a flower bouquet out of their sleeve.

Hunting up close should always be met with minimal movement.  Until the animal is down.

I “think” I understand what you’re talking about/experiencing. I won’t do him justice, but Len Cardinale referred to it as “maintainable state”.   He said once you achieve it, then immerse in aiming, there’s nothing more to do but let the shot happen.  Rod Jenkins, learned from him…. btw.

[fatzboys]

Jim
Thats it....its really still new to me and im liking the results..I find im still searching for that perfect balance ...the push / pull.shots are more crisp..

I want to say old habits are hard to break.Which we all know.I still feel like i need to blank bale for a while..like a month maybe.

It's really hard to explain, but.... I'll give it whirl anyway.  


I think of as a spring.  I draw, then, make sure I get inside the bow.  That is pushing forward and pulling back while making sure I have bone to bone alignment--like a spring with constant pressure going out in both directions.

From there, all I do is AIM, AIM and AIM.  Then... just let the shot happen.  When it all works right, the bow jumps forward and the string hand literally, explodes to my shoulder.

When that all takes place, I'm happy, happy, happy.  

[fatzboys]

Jim
Thats pretty good explanation of what im working on.living in south Florida give me lots of time to shoot.The weather has been great.Sometimes i think i shoot to much..