heavy arrows for heavy bows

[foudarme]

I would like to know for all of those who shoot heavy bows over 80# what are the types of arrows you are using: filled alu or carbon ? wood arrows ? caliber, etc....

[foudarme]

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[Anvil]

I use laminated birch and ash from my heavy bows. My 84# Strunk osage selfbow will only shoot heavy arrows well as is the case with most heavy bows. I don't think you can get the weight you need from carbons or aluminums. Just my observations, a glass backed bow might be different.
Curt

[foudarme]

Originally posted by Anvil:
 I don't think you can get the weight you need from carbons or aluminums.
Curt

yes I got the weight....a 6075 carbon express filled with a 8gr/inch mass tube + a 250gr point can reach 830gr, it flies pretty well on my 90# LB....a 2317 filled with a plastic tube and the same field point can reach 1000gr, the flight can be excellent according to the shot bow....but I would like to know other experiments such like yours in order to try them, I have some difficulties with a 80# FF schaffer for which my favorite arrows are too weak...could you talk a little more about your arrows' weight and spine...

[foudarme]

no other heavy shooters?????

[Anvil]

Out of the 84# Self bow I use Tapered Laminated Birch spined 70-75 with 160grs up front for a total weight of 800gr. I find that the lam birch act stiffer than their spine rating.
I would be at a loss to recommend anything out of an 80# Silvertip as I don't shoot recurves. I would say to post your question on the main forum because it is visited more frequently.
Hope you find some answers.
Curt

[Bonebuster]

Years ago I was using a Martin Lynx recurve with 80 lb limbs. I shot 2317 eastons weighted with plastic tubing glued in place with silicone.

The arrows finished out around 780 grains. The silicone took a long time to dry and sometimes I got quite a variation in weight.

I got good results with this set up so I never really tried anything else with that bow.

[foudarme]

Originally posted by Bonebuster:
Years ago I was using a Martin Lynx recurve with 80 lb limbs. I shot 2317 eastons weighted with plastic tubing glued in place with silicone.

The arrows finished out around 780 grains. The silicone took a long time to dry and sometimes I got quite a variation in weight.

I got good results with this set up so I never really tried anything else with that bow.

I done the same thing with a single plastic tube of equal internal 2317 diameter...it makes a 915gr arrow which flies pretty well...however I found it too heavy for a 80# bow...780gr looks like a very good weight...

[foudarme]

Did someone tried a 2117 shaft filled with a 1916 one or something else like that????

[Arrroman]

Yeah, Paul Schaffer glued one arrow inside another for Africa. I think it came up to 700+grains just for the shaft.

[Rick McGowan]

Alot depends on your draw length, I draw about 29" and had a VERY hard time find ANY single shaft that would work. It also depends which bow you are shooting, some need more spine than others. About 10 years ago I was trying to work up heavy arrows for a 85# Black Widow, you can use the 2117 with the 1916 like Paul Schafer used for his cape buffalo and it works well, but has a very high spine. I saw a chart once that had the spine and weight with lots of aluminum duplex combinations. I NEVER found ANY wood shaft that had enough spine for me, except the Forgewood Battleshafts, which were compressed yellow hemlock, but even then I needed the 90-95 spine and they were impossible to get and are not being made currently. To get enough spine in other woods they will be large diameter, not what I wanted. I finally ended up using a 2219 aluminum with a 35-55 Goldtip carbon inside. Theses fly better than any other arrow I ever shot and end up at about 970 grains, but are fairly expensive and a pain to make. There are lots of other combinations of carbons and or aluminums available now.

[foudarme]

Rick, I am 28" of draw length....you're quite right, some great differences occur in the spine at the same draw weight cause some bows are more center shot than others....I have a 90# french recurve for which the 60/75 CE and 75/95 GT carbon filled arrows are too stiff though the same arrows are too weak for my 80# silvertips...but sometimes a too stiff arrow can be easily corrected with a 200-250 or even much more (100gr brass insert + 250gr point) field point (or broadhead), it could even become an advantage if you whish to reach the famous extreme FOC from Ashby...I should be really pleased if you can re-find (or give me some indications about where I could find it) the chart with "the spine and weight with lots of aluminum duplex combinations".
From your experiment I will keep in mind that a 35-55 goldtip can pretty well fill a 2219 shaft...I have both of them so I will try it...Myself, I tried a 2317 filled with a 2117 shaft...I had no spine tester but the arrow obtained was extremly stiff...Maybe other ideas from other shooters ????

[Rick McGowan]

At the top of this page is Cory Mattson with the Aussie water buff he killed with arrows he copied from my buff arrows. To get the GT to be a snug fit I wrapped it with a spiral of COTTON sewing thread. I used cotton, since when I tried it with nylon and shot it, all the thread slid to the front, the cotton stayed in place and the GT has to be pushed in. I personally do not care for the high foc arrows. Historically 12% foc has been the preferred amount and in my testing it still is with a properly weighted arrow.

[Matt Quick]

A Easton Axis shaft fits perfectly in a 2020 shaft.  This arrow weighs a little less than the 2219/goldtip combo but it is also  smaller in diameter.

[marlon]

I shoot 2440 their called big game shafts.The shafts work very well out of 150# 160# longbow. When shot out of 120# compound they bend. marlon arrows weight are 1300 grains

[foudarme]

I just try a 2219 with a 250 field point, it looks like a good beginning...the weight, 690gr is too small, I would need to obtain 100gr of more...the idea with the 2020 looks very good...I have many of them but no easton axis...I would see for finding them...will see if the easton 340 would fit inside a 2020 shaft...It would be a great idea to make a post with all the duplex alu or carbon combinations known...

[foudarme]

no, the 340 from easton doesn't fit into the 2219

[Rik]

I like the Ipe (Brazillian Mahogany) shafts that Allegheny Arrows sells. Nice and heavy, they straighten easily, AND they seem to stay straight.

When I bought mine for the Australian Buffalo hunt, he had them in spine weights over 90 pounds.

Dr. Ashby's data shows that heavy wood arrows experience less "point of impact" breakage on buffalo ribs than carbon arrows. Not sure why, but that's what the data shows.

They sure look a lot nicer than carbon or aluminum arrows.

[Str8Shooter]

I used to shoot a Morrison Cougar that pulled app. 78@29. I had really good flight with Grizzly sticks. When I bought them they only made two versions. I think they were Safari's or something along those lines. I shot them with the brass insert and a 175 gr. tip. I think they came out to a finished weight around 730-750 grs. Don't remember exactly.

Chris

[Jay Campbell, JD]

I shoot 30" Gold Tip Big Game 100s with 12.5" of a Cabelas 230 SST glued just inside the point assembly with Gorilla glue, and 250 gr of weights behind an aluminum insert, a 125gr steel adaptor, and a 160 gr. head. 1030 grains, and shoots bare shaft dart straight out of my 80# BW PLX. 24% FOC.  THis gives the thin shaft that Ashby says provides the best penetration, the extreme FOC that similarly he likes, and the weight and spine required to work from the heavy bow. They are an incredible pain to make, but the Gold Tips are extremely tough. Blew through two hogs last weekend like the arrow never even hit the animal. - Jay Campbell, JD