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Offline Bowspirit

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What About Rhino
« on: August 27, 2004, 08:59:00 AM »
If you've read my pow wow post, you'll now that my dream is to fell an elephant with bow and arrow in hand. However, the one animal is find more entreaging, exotic, and overlooked,is the white rhino. Has anyone ever bowhunted one here. I believe Ted Nugent did, but does any know someone who took one with a bow. It was mentioned that Howard Hill took one, but I saw nothing about it in his game list (on Craig Ekins website). Please tell me the #lbs. of the bow, and the arrows and broadheads used. I must know. Thank you.
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2004, 09:17:00 AM »
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I dont know about white rhino, due to the conservation status I believe there is not any possiblility of hunting them outside of a real small pen. (I believe Capstick discusses this in one of his books, if you are interested in Africa then Peter Capstick is required reading!) Black rhinos can still be hunted in some circumstances, if youve got the $$$.  I know I've seen a few pictures recently with compound bows and rhinos, the fuzzy question is always whether a rifle was used for backup.  I think you are really on the edge of the capability of archery equipment on rhino.

Negley from Texas killed one (or two?) back when he was shooting all his African stuff.  If you ever get to San Antonio TX go to the Buckhorn Saloon, his mounts are there.  They were showing the old movies of his rhino and elephant hunts there.  I think he missed the first rhino he shot at completely--like Monty Browning says:  "Its hard to shoot when you're having a heart attack!"

I'm sure Swinehart killed one (if you can get ahold of the book "Sagittarius" it is a good read on bowhunting the Big Five in the last days of Old Africa).

I dont know about Hill (I'm no Hill expert) but I know Pope and Young had special arrows made to hunt rhino but I dont know the outcome of that endeavor.

I'm sure guys on here could tell you about some other traditional rhino kills.

Ryan
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2004, 09:28:00 AM »
It is considered by some as a prehistoric hold-over and is in fact one of the oldest mammals roaming the planet today. He appears awkward and docile at first glance but is very short tempered and quick to charge. It has been said " the rhino is the easiest of the Big Five to find and shoot". This has been it's demise and both species the white and black are dangerously low in numbers but in managed areas, some permits for white rhino are available.

Due to the availability of rhino permits being primarily for game ranches, the size of the animal and the easy to follow three toed track, he is easily located.

-Got This info off bowhuntingsafari.com. And, looking at a collection of bow-killed rhino, you'll notice the majority have the humped-back, square head, and square lips of the white rhino. Heck, they're only called white rhinos because Europeans thought the name African natives called it (meant broad lipped one, or something of the like) sounded like white.
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2004, 10:08:00 AM »
Seems to me I recall Monty Browning writing about shooting one with his longbow in PBS magazine.
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2004, 10:27:00 AM »
Chris

You're right about the name origin being non-english. The Boers (German immigrants who spoke Afrikaans) referred to them with the Afrikaans word for "wide" referring to the lip and that was translated "white" by English speakers.

White rhinos are generally considered quite unoffensive as compared to the black, or prehensile lipped, ones. I have read that this may be due to the fact that white (square lipped) rhinos are grazers and usually found in more open territory than the browsing black rhino that spends more time in thick cover.  Maybe the black ones are meaner from eating acacia bush?!  I would be.

I wont say too much about something I havent done, but "managed areas" and "game ranches" might be a tip off.   ;)


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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2004, 11:05:00 AM »
Yeah, I get what your saying Ryan. Hey, just think. The white rhino is 2-3 times heavier than the black rhinos with a longer horn. May the Good Lord have mercy on the bowhunter who sticks an already pissed off white.
 But I would still like to know of any who have bowkilled rhino and the gear they used. Im a dreamer, and one day I hope to claim Africa's Big Six with a trad bow (though maybe switching to a compound wouldn't be a sin for a pachyderm). Course, in the words of my dads favorite motto: "Maybe you should try for a whitetail first... and get a job!!!  :bigsmyl:
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2004, 11:23:00 AM »
Chris

Its not bad to be a dreamer.  From my African library (much of which I purchased when I was in high school) I always wanted to hunt Cape Buff.  Then I read White and Edison Marshall and got turned onto the old days in Asia, and the wild cattle they hunted there-Guar(Saladang), Banteng, wild buffalo.  I read Monty's story several years back in TBM about water buff in Australia and one thing led to another and now I'm going to Australia next year for buffalo with my recurve.  I hope to bring home one of those big ugly things at the top of this page (not Cory!).

Dream on-you never know what may happen!!

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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2004, 11:26:00 AM »
I know this is probably a stupid question,
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2004, 11:29:00 AM »
(Stupid Computer) Sorry bout that, but what I meant to say is I know this is probably a stupid question, but are you "the" Rothaar? (Rothaar Snuffers) Probably not but hey, Im still a kid. I can ask stupid questions.
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2004, 11:51:00 AM »
Dont know about "the" Rothhaar...but I'm "a" Rothhaar.

Dad is "the" Rothhaar.  I'm "the boy" as I'm generally refferred to.  I DID spend alot of my misspent youth putting Snuffers together, though.  Heck I'm still a kid too, just turned 30 in March!  Now I get to put Dad's treestands up for him, I'm heading out to Iowa this weekend for just that.  I've learned that if I pay attention I can pick up a thing or two, though  :)

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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2004, 12:02:00 PM »
Wow!!!! I'll get back to rhinos, but let me just use this chance to say that this site and the web all together! I have used Razorheads for the past 4 years due to the fact that they were all that was available. But when given the chance, I have now decided to use your fathers original Snuffers. Great broadheads, and I hope to claim my first deer with them. Wow!!!! It's an honor to meet you and hear of your father. Okay, back to rhinos.
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2004, 12:51:00 PM »
Its not traditional but I discovered a bowkilled rhino+info on tackle and gear. The mans name is Rick Hunt. He used a Mathews Safari Grade 100lb. compound bow, Vapor 4000 860-grain double shafted carbon arrows, and Steel Force 210-grain, 2-blade broadheads. His 1st arrow penetrated 25-1/2 inches deep (the kill shot), and was requested to make another, which penetrated 13 inches deep, including through the shoulder bone. But again, I would love to hear from any with info on a trad bowkilled rhino.
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2004, 04:07:00 PM »
German immigrants?! Combination of Dutch and French actually.

"Wyd" (pronounced 'vate') sounds like "wit" (pr. 'vitt')

Adrian de Villiers shot one about 10 years ago with a compound, but it was a bad shot and the rhino was finished off with a gun.
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2004, 04:24:00 PM »
Thats interesting. All I could find for shooters on the web was Negley (didn't show gear used), Hunt, and Bogner(didn't show gear used). The person to check out would probably be Tink Nathan. I know he has bow killed rhino before, though I am not sure whether he used trad gear or not. Although, 2 of his 3 elephants were downed with a Howatt recurve bow
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2004, 08:30:00 PM »
G'day Ryan " a" Rothhaar   :wavey:
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2004, 02:48:00 AM »
Monty Browning shot a White Rhino in 1985 I believe.  He used a 90# longbow and a 1500gr solid fiberglass fish arrow with a Hunters Head broadhead. The thing for rhino hunting now is called agreen hunt.  The rhino is shot with an arrow that has a tranquilizer dart on the end of it instead of a broadhead.  You get your picture taken with it and the Wildlife people get to do whatever they need to then it gets the antidote and goes on his way.  Right now I think this is the only option for rhino hunting because I don't think you can bring any parts(cape& horns)into the country.  It is also cheaper than killing one which the last I heard was about $30,000.00.  It still isn't cheap though I don't know how much.  Joseph
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2004, 10:46:00 AM »
D@#% it all! I mean, I really wish to take a rhino some day. However, I've seen the numbers of rhino pop., and they're not to good. I don't think I would honestly bowhunt something as endangered as them. It all comes down to ethics. But this is just another example of how poachers can ruin the expieriance of a hunt.
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2004, 10:57:00 AM »
Hey, if there were ever someone on this site who knew something on bowhunting rhinoceros first hand, wouldn't Dr. Ashbey be it. I mean,  didn't he take a rhino before, or am I wrong?
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2004, 03:47:00 PM »
Thanks to all who replied. I am very greatful. Now I know that at least 3 trad bowhunter have taken rhino, and two of which, I now have gear used for their hunt. This is all useful info, and even though the white and black rhinoceros may not be huntable at this time; hey, Im 16, and have year to go. And with all these replies, the dream will surely be kept alive.   :)    :)  

P.S.- To Negley, Ashbey, Browning,and other who have taken rhino, I say:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :notworthy:
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Re: What About Rhino
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2004, 11:01:00 PM »
Yep, H. Hill did take a rhino according to Craig Ekins and he used the same 1700gr arrow and 260gr broadhead 110lb longbow.  But.... a guide shot the critter after it took a turn toward Hill.  Hill would not take credit for the kill even though the arrow hit the vitals and the bullet didnot.

BTW Craig is building a limited run of the 260gr hill "Elephant Broadheads" they look wicked...  ;)
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