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Offline ozy clint

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water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« on: February 09, 2009, 11:00:00 PM »
do you think it could be done? what point material, design and weight would be optimal? what shaft timber? what poundage for selfbow? only high pecentage shots would be taken. if it doesn't offer the perfect shot. no shot would be taken.

i really want to do it! i guess most of you are thinking......    :scared:
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2009, 12:46:00 AM »
Well it's been done millions of times in north america....but not in the last 150 years or more

I say go for it.  Make sure you bring some extra clean underwear!!
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2009, 03:40:00 AM »
Ask Doug Campbell, he has done it a lot.  Worked so good and anthropologist included the information in a book he was writing at the time.  Go to Dougs photo pages and there are pictures of some of the Bisaon he has killed with wood, sinew, and stone.
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2009, 11:51:00 AM »
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Well it's been done millions of times in north america....but not in the last 150 years or more

I say go for it.  Make sure you bring some extra clean underwear!!
Yes it has...Doug Campbell's quickest bow kill buff was a 7 second heart shot with a selfbow and stone point.

I'll see if I can get him to come in here and post some info.

Ozy...nah, I wouldn't think that if you have the right set up it should'nt be a problem if you take the right shot.
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2009, 12:30:00 PM »
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ahh...just want to clarify something.
i'm referring to water buffulo back home in australia.


that made you raise your eyebrows didn't it!   :eek:
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2009, 03:28:00 PM »
yip big difference in a Big Water Buff compared to an American bison! but never the less i think it can be done.  
how much weight can you pull mate?     :D    
theres a lot of ribs bones and skin to go through.

you hit this shoulder bone your done!
 

this is the skin on the side behind the ribs it even thinker on the neck and shoulder!

 
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 04:59:00 PM »
at the moment i'm starting to feel comfortable with my 70# recurve but i'm still working into it. i guess i'd have to shoot somewhere in the ballpark of 80# with a selfbow to make up for it's lack of efficiency compared to a modern recurve or longbow?
it's not something i'm going to go and do tommorrow. alot of preperation has to go into point design, arrows, etc.
oh yeah.... i'd have to learn to shoot a selfbow well enough.....nothing major  :eek:  lol

hey tradtusker- is that a cape buff or a water buff?

i've asked this question on primitive archer and it seems that no one has done it. also, someone mentioned that it would be against hunting regulations in africa to hunt dangerous game with stone? so water buff might be it.
maybe it's one feat in the archery world that hasn't been acomplished??
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2009, 05:03:00 PM »
NO!, a water buffalo is built NOTHING like a bison! There is virtually no space between a water  buffalos ribs. I think I am going to start a program to abolish the improper use of the word "buffalo" when descibing BISON, someone screwed up a couple hundred years ago and we have had to deal with it ever since!
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2009, 06:19:00 PM »
its a Water Buff Clint, one i shot up in Arnhem Land with a compound
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 09:07:00 AM »
Wells that makes more sense now that you are specifying what kind of buffal we are dealing with.    :D   I still think it could be done.  Mammoths and Wooly Rhinos were killed with stone and wood although I think an Atlatl is the more likely projectile thrower in those cases.  That would be fun though too!
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 10:16:00 AM »
Joseph, that was a much different time too, typically today we don't have groups of hunters ganging up on one animal!
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 10:24:00 AM »
Yer but Mammoths and Wooly Rhinos where Killed by Packs of Neanerthals throwing / shooting mutitly ammounts of arrows and spears and stoned then usually ran off a cliff to finish off with.

I think there is a reason why no one has successfully done it befor.
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 11:32:00 AM »
Thanks for the clarification ozy....yeah, that would be a real chalenge....no worries with the bow or arrows.....just what head would hold up bouncing off ribs....and I sure don't know about all that knapping stuff.
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 01:20:00 PM »
there is a guy here on tradgang that i believe can make a stone point that could kill a buff.
Woody is an artist with stone! this is a head he knapped for me last year, made from imperial jasper. it is the best broadhead iv ever seen   :D   .

its quality may give you some hope Clint

 

 

 
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 01:36:00 PM »
A work of art and far to pretty for me to shoot for sure! I have no doubt those heads would kill a buffalo, the problem is getting it through the ribs and still penetrating quite a lot of buffalo after that. I found out very quickly on buffalo that penetration isn't the only thing, but without enough of it, nothing else matters. I guided one guy who is a fanatic when it comes to knapped heads and selfbows and used them both in Africa and elsewhere, he said he would not attempt shooting a water buffalo with them. I wouldn't guide someone using that combo unless they agreed it was fine for me to start putting .416 diameter holes in the buffalo IMMEDIATELY if "I" saw there was insufficent penetration. The reason I emphasize "I" is that hunters almost always see the shot as being better than it was and when you start shooting anykind of projectiles at buffalo, you need to have the plan well prepared, before it happens, because things sometimes happen very fast afterward. I would suggest the best plan for shooting a buffalo with a selfbow and knapped head would be to start with one that is already dead and see how that goes!
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2009, 02:47:00 PM »
I hear ya on the 'mistake' Rick....I've heard 'where the buffalo roam' since I was a kid, so our bison comes into my mind 1st when I hear the word buffalo.  My bad on this thread.  I'll try and re-program that.
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2009, 10:27:00 PM »
That knapped head is AMAZING!  It's art on the end of an arrow!  

Rick has a good point (no pun intended), try out some shots on a buff that can't stomp you into the ground first, then go from there.  Seems it could be done, but I would definately want some firepower next to me.  It'll be a great story if you do it!
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 02:44:00 AM »
Andy

Mate if you can get a arrow to me with a head like that I would glady have ago with the Widow Longbow of mine. I'm sure at 10m I should be able to get the job done. Time is getting closer.

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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 08:24:00 AM »
I might just bring a couple for us to have a play with next time we hunt Buff, we'l hammer the pigs with something else.   :wavey:
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Re: water buffulo with a selfbow and stone points, now with testing results
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 06:33:00 PM »
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I'm sure we will.

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