Suggestions for Cape buffalo Arrow?

[Steelhead]

Yaa Ralph,I had a Daaaaa moment.Fish arrows are solid glass.Its been along long time since I bowfished.So yaa maybe a real fat aluminum would work.I know I read somebody used em in the past.Probably because thier were not many options avaiable to get a 1000 grain arrow.

[rnharris]

yep i may not go to africa but we got some humongous hogs around here good experiment for some heavy shafts,ttt

[LONGBOWKID]

1/4" Rebar.  

[EasyEd]

Dear Steelhead and friends,
   I just read the responses to your questions on Cape buffalo arrows and would like to add some comments and make a suggestion.  Over the last 6 years, approximately 40+ of my customers have taken Cape and Asian buffalo with our GrizzlyStik arrows and broadheads.  This does not include hippo, giraffe and elephant.  Some bowhunters have reported pass through’s on a Cape and elephant.  No one has reported lost game because of inadequate arrow penetration.  A 950 grain GrizzlyStik Safari is proven to consistently do the job on the Cape without needing any weight tubes, lead wire, special inserts, inner shafts, etc.  And now with the addition of the one piece, stainless steel Ashby broadhead, the GrizzlyStik is even more effective.  References are provided at your request.  Take a look at my web site,  www.alaskabowhunting.com,  and drop me an email or give me a call.
Cheers,
Ed Schlief
Alaska Bowhunting Supply

[Steelhead]

Thankyou very much Ed.I also appreciate the PM.I will be in contact with you as the time approaches for the hunt to discuss details of your arrow and setup.

Appreciate it!

[amar911]

Ed Schleif is great to deal with. I just bought some of the Ashby broadheads from him and they are incredible. I am sure the GrizzlyStick shafts would work great with an 80 pound bow, but I am simply not capable of handling a bow that heavy. Because I am only shooting a 68#@29.5" bow using a 31" arrow, I needed a shaft with a lower spine than the GrizzlyStick Safari. I decided to go with the Arrow Dynamics Hammerhead shafts instead but am using Ed's suggested 950 grain weight. With brass inserts and extra weights that screw into the inserts it is easy to get the total weight with a very extreme FOC on the arrow. Paul at Badger Arrows is helping me with the construction of the arrows, so all I have to do is add the ABS Ashby broadheads. With the wide spine range of the tapered AD shaft design and the high FOC, I should get good arrow flight. I am only going after a cow cape buffalo this time around, as my wife will be after the bull with her "firestick". If I get the chance to put an arrow in a buffalo, I will report back here. If I get skunked, I will hide my shame and you will hear nothing!    

Allan

[Steelhead]

Nice writeup Allen.Insightful as usual.

Thanks for the comments.

[Don Thomas]

There seems to be an impulse to make a simple problem complex. With all due respect to the fine points of the Ashby data, I think the key elements are weight and quality of arrow flight. My buffalo arrows are ipe with 145 gr Eclipse heads. No, that's not extreme FOC, but they weigh 1100 gr and shoot through buffalo, from both my #80 and #86 recurves.  Ipe can be hard to find, but if you contact Joseph Myers through this site he can get it for you. Off to hunt bears... Don

[amar911]

Don,

I don't really disagree with you, but unfortunately I can't draw an 80 to 85 pound bow, and an 1100 grain arrow is much slower out of a 68 pound bow. So, in order to get more efficiency out of a lighter bow and a lighter arrow, extreme FOC and Ashby broadheads help. I would gladly trade your strength and equipment for mine, but even if it were possible, you wouldn't agree to it!      

Have fun hunting the bears.

Allan

[amar911]

Eric,

Thanks for the encouraging words.

Allan

[ozy clint]

let us know how the 68# bow goes. i'm planning on using a 69#@28" recurve on water buffulo. i too can't draw and "shoot" a heavier bow.

[amar911]

Will do Clint.

Allan

[BUFF]

amar911...... how did your hunt go?

[Steelhead]

Thought I would go ahead and add to my own thread in case someone is looking for alternative arrow choices and was unaware of this new offering.

Arrow Dynamics has just come out with a new heavyweight carbon arrow.Its 475 grains as a bare shaft.Its intended for bows of 70 pounds and heavier.It can be loaded up with 350 to 400 grains and easily achieve over 800 grains arrow weight.It can be rear loaded as well for more additional weight on the back end.

Badger Arrow is carrying them and is a sponser on this site.If you want to look further into these arrows contact them.

Thanks for any and all information recieved on my Buff arrow search so far.I am sure some people other than myself have been getting ideas on how to set up a Buff arrow or arrows for any larger bigger boned animal when they want all the strength,power and penetration that they can get with the proper choice and overall design of the arrow with these special purposes in mind.

Shoot straight
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[Steelhead]

Up for someone who may want to review this thread.

[Steelhead]

I thought I would bump this back up incase some guys were looking at the thread posted recently with pics of the Cape buffalo's skeletal structure and might be wondering what kinda arrow  setups that guys have recommended for Cape Buffalo and dealing with penetrating that formidable armor.Its an interesting read.

Maybe get some new input as well from other Buff hunters and thier arrow of choice.

Cheers

[tawmio]

Easton FMJ with 100 grain insert and 315 grain broadhead
17.2 grains @ 29 + 100 + 315 = 913.8

[pdk25]

Anyone tried the goldtip kinetic 200 arrow series yet?

[pdk25]

Thanks to the morrison ilf riser being cut far past center, I was able to get these shafts to work well without too much fancy work involved.  The bow is around 80# at a little over 29" draw and has carbon foam limbs. Turns out the shafts were way too stiff for a dakota of similar poundage due to the cut of the shelf.  Shafts are cut to 30" with 100 grain brass insert and a 1 1/4" 2013 external footing on the front, the arrows bareshaft well with only 300 grains point weight.  I can't cut them shorter than 29.5" due to my draw length, but it already has decent FOC as is.  Fletched shafts with 300 grain tips weigh 850 grains.  Will be trying to cut them down some to see if I can't bump the weight a little over 900 grains with added tip weight.  Could always build the sideplate out a little, but too much hassle for me.

[WESTBROOK]

Going back a few pages, it was Monte Browning that used a fish arrow on the Buff, I think a Grizzly BH, 90# Hill LB.

Eric