Well shots were, close, at around 3yards, so arrow was not "straight... yet" but still 700+g efoc {CE Heritage 150's, 100g brass inserts, 100g BH adaptors sharp Griz El Grandes!} points hit with the B-heads at my point on- distance of 25yds, I was excited, so I was at FULL DRAW, I don't know I think I'll try something different next time around, 2 pigs both 300lb sows, so far not really impressed. Kind of frustrated a little, especially when I see my buddies blow through em with 400g carbons w/3blades from there compounds.