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Offline PAPALAPIN

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2008, 08:58:00 AM »
TRAP

Lets just swap, two for two.  Send me two "TRAP-RESTS" and I will send you one of Jack's and one of Charlie's.

So you grind the feathers rather than burn them.  Interesting.
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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2008, 09:28:00 AM »
Thank You  so much Jack,  I'll head them your way. Can I assume you are Right handed?  It will be neat to compare the Jack Howard feather rest to an original Bear feather rest I have (still in bubble wrap).

The Bear rest is flat on the top.  Much easier for mass production I'm sure.

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2008, 11:57:00 PM »
Trap, I sent you an e-mail. did you get it.

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2008, 01:16:00 AM »
PM sent Jon, Daryl
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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2008, 08:13:00 AM »
Trap,package arrived safe and sound...Will keep ya posted asap.....Thanks dude you da man....bowdoc

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2008, 06:08:00 PM »
I actually like them better on my 1959 then I did on my T/D....Looks and works great...Thanks Trap...bowdoc

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2008, 06:37:00 PM »
Doc, I see you've been at it with a file again.

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2008, 08:16:00 PM »
I will put my two in the mail on Tuesday.

The Jack Howard is made with five feathers,  Charlie's is made with seven.
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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2008, 09:10:00 PM »
Hi Jack, I mailed yours today.

I split the difference I guess. I use 6 feathers on my rests.

Do Jack's and Charlie's rests have a leather base like the Bear feather rest or were they right down on the riser?

Trap
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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2008, 06:06:00 AM »
Hey Trap,I don't own to many that have not seen the business end of a file,grinder,belt sander and yes even a bone saw.....I like that shelf down a little lower then factory.Works good for me....Thats a 64" 51#er in the pic with that beautiful arrow rest on it....bowdoc

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2008, 12:53:00 PM »
I like the looks.Bowdoc, why not shoot off a rug rest after lowering the factory shelf with a file?  I there a performance advantage with the feather rest, or is that just how theyt used to be shipped?  Thanks in advance!

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2008, 08:00:00 PM »
I was shooting off the shelf,but wanted to try Trap's feather rest out...Worked pretty good and really did not raise the shelf to much.But yes I do normaly shoot of a peace of seal skin or zebra skin...bowdoc

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2008, 06:43:00 PM »
I prefer feather rests. I take my razor and shave them down a tad so the arrow will be angled toward the bow.

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2008, 07:09:00 AM »
I tried to get some pics yesterday while shooting off the feather rest.But failed to do so.I did want to take a picture or two of the feather rests during shooting.While the arrow is being lossed.I actually think the feathers are almost totaley fat upon release of the arrow.The Archers paradox !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bowdoc

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2008, 11:47:00 AM »
I want to revisit this topic briefly to discuss design a little.  I spoke with Dave Viegut (Precurve) for a bit and he brought up an interesting question.  

His question is "why is the high point of the rest where it is and not on the front edge where it would be closer too or above the deep part of the grip?"

Here's a pic of the rests I have for comparison;

 

From Left to Right- original Bear Feather Rest, Jack Howard Rest, My Feather Rest, and one that I just played with a little that moves the high point to the opposite end.

Several questions have come up during this thread that I find interesting.  Unfortunetly, I honestly don't have the experience or historical knowledge to answer them fully and welcome any input those of you with more experience could offer.

Here's the questions I think could use a little discussion. I'll start by responding briefly to each.

1. Is the feather rest an elevated rest?  I suppose it could be considered that since it elevates the arrow above the shelf and is added onto the bow.  I'm not sure how it would classify at an IBO shoot.

2. Why cut the shelf down and then elevate the arrow with a feather rest?  When I started shooting traditional in the late 80s, everything written seemed to advocate getting the arrow as close to the hand as possible. The feather rest is fairly low profile and for me at least the feathers are a pretty forgiving platform to shoot off of.

3. Why is the high point where it is on the traditional feather rest?  As you can see the Bear rest was short and symetrical in design so it could be moved backward or forward to position it above the deep part of the grip. The Jack Howard rest, on the other hand, was longer and the high point was fairly pronounced which would cause the arrow/shelf contact point to get farther from the throat of the grip.  When you look at Bear Kodiak shelf and rest combinations through the years you can see a progression from a piece of thin leather on a shelf that was just above the hand (55,56,57,58) to a more pronounced shelf frther above the hand with a feather rest stuck on top (59,60) to a rug rest----------->.  Their tenure was fairly short at least at Bear Archery but those folks that like them really like them and use them still today.

I dont have the answers.  Like I said earlier, I was just trying for a "look" when I first started making them and once I did they seemed to work just fine.  Using the feather rest seems to go against conventional thoughts that the closer to your hand the arrow is the more accurate you'll be.  And also the thought that the place where the arrow contacts the shelf should be directly above the throat of the grip. Maybe they should be made like the white one in the picture with the hump towards the front.  

This is why I love traditional archery.  There's no right answer I'm sure.  The rests were probably originally stuck on a production bow by someone and next thing you know they are everywhere and then they almost disapear from existence.  

Was the feather rest a precursor to other rests such as Flipper's, etc.  Did Herters start it all with their raised shelf?  C'mon history buffs, enlighten us.

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2008, 11:58:00 AM »
As for it being an ele.rest..yes I would say thats true...But as for the low shelf with the feather rest.When your arrow is leaveing the bow that feather rest is flatter then a pancake...Archers Paradox actually has the arrow in a bit of a bind..and for the high end,I believe was also because it was the last strikeing point as the arrow took flight.Design....personal choice kinda like thier bows I guess......bowdoc

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2008, 12:13:00 PM »
I agree, so much of this "Trad Stuff" is personal choice, and that's what makes it cool.  I shot fine before I used a feather rest and have not seen any magical improvements since I started using them.

It's a neat little "Gadget" that isnt necessary but not a hindrance either so I shoot with em cause I like em.

Trap
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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2008, 04:52:00 PM »
For me, a feather rest is always more forgiving.  I shoot well with a rug rest, but sometimes I might get something funny going on with the odd arrow; that never happens with a feather rest.  Plus they look exceptionally cool.

Dave

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Re: Sweeeeeeet feather rest
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2008, 08:01:00 AM »
Yes Dave I agree,they are pretty forgiving and look cool too..........bowdoc

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